Balochistan Terrorism Watch

Learn some manners first!
Your age is the reason I am still being respectful to you, despite your obvious racism. Take ur manners with you.
But the convenient escape here is to blame everything on the security forces even though they have indeed neutralized many terrorists in last few years.
No body, even the Baloch give a single rats arse about those dead terrorists. All of them already know they are deadmen.

And yes, security forces are to blame. You cant even manage the border and then want to put the blame on the locals? Why would locals help you when you are gonna leave them high and dry on the mercy of BLA?

Use ur brain unc
 
Pakistan’s deterrence seems to have fully collapsed. IOK is silent while Balochistan and KPK burn. Balochistan has become a global issue while Kashmir is a dead issue. Indian cells can assassinate anyone anywhere inside Pakistan at will. Indian proxies carrying daily attacks against Pakistan. Pakistan stuck in a two front war situation. Pakistan having to divert funds to fight multiple insurgencies despite being the one with the smaller economy. Sentiment and morals in the country is probably at one of the lowest it’s ever been.

Summary of what India has achieved over the last few years:
-Directly challenged Pakistan position on Kashmir by revoking article 370 and allowing Hindus to migrate to parts of J&K.
-Forced Pakistan in FATF greylist for many years causing all sorts of financial issues for Pakistan.
-Forced Pakistan to give up on supporting Kashmiri resistance and dismantle Kashmiri resistance networks inside Pakistan and AJK.
-Made Bajwa’s and IK’s government sign a ceasefire on LOC permanently closing that front.
-Turned international narrative against Pakistan using human rights orgs to focus on Balochistan and KPK or use anti Islam propagandists in the west to spread Pakistan hate internationally.
-Forces Pakistan to fight 2 major insurgencies in 2 of its provinces, make support for army drop to one of the lowest it’s been, and used any means to support insurgencies of all sorts all over Pakistan.
-Attacked Pakistan’s tier 1 cities and all major bases last year and established a new normal (even if they lost the war).
-Still have IWT suspended and have started construction on diverting water.
-Allied with Taliban and created a two front war situation for Pakistan.
-Assassinated anyone it wants anywhere inside Pakistan without any repercussions.
-and much more.

What has Pakistan’s response been to all this? Nothing. Pakistan has failed to counter India in every domain. India is winning against Pakistan sub conventionally, economically, politically, and in the propaganda domain.

The whole forum celebrates wins in short military engagements while those engagements themselves were strategic wins for India.

Pakistan has lost to India on all fronts.

you have summed it up perfectly...

unfortunate events indeed and it is all going downhill with the passage of time
 
The swine behind today's bombing

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Family of this swine already did a press conference in February saying they have nothing to do with their son who has joined terrorist organization

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Pakistani state knew his name. His family already told the state about him. But Pakistani state still failed to stop him

@Starlord can you see failure of pakistani state? Still going to blame locals??

Bhai i will blame State for their weak actions, i am with you on that... Pakistan has become like Gandh mai dum nai lakin hum kisi se kam nai type. But lets take this harami's suicide attackers example, he is not retarded, he knows what will his actions do, and he is driving a explosive loaded car and gonna hit a train which is used by innocent civilians who are not even trying to be near Army or police, a train can be used by anyone but he knows it, BLA knows and they still do the attack, result is right before our eyes... actions like this will never happen in any other civilized country or culture, you can not pay enough money to anyone from another culture like lets say Norway or New Zealand or Spain or Sweden to do something like that, and this is my point... TTP/BLA attacks are loud and can be seen by every baluch and pushtoon and yet you have people supporting them so what do you make of it? Do you see any Baluch even living in Islamabad or Lahore came out to protests ? or even say you know guys, we do have a problem with violence so how can we fix this among our own people?

Black people in America are seen as thugs/hooligans/violent and more prone to crimes and you will see several black influencers and people talk about the fault lines within the black culture, and how rap/gang music and single mother and absence of father is causing black youth to go towards life of crime/drugs, and that's how you try to fix a issue, by acknowledging that you have a problem, warna tu hum yehi PDF pe debate hi kerte rahen gay.
 
And yes, security forces are to blame. You cant even manage the border and then want to put the blame on the locals? Why would locals help you when you are gonna leave them high and dry on the mercy of BLA?

Yes, the border is the problem here! And it is extremely hard to manage. But to imply that the security forces are not doing anything at the border or inside Baluchistan is outright malicious lie. Security forces are indeed doing a lot of work and are dying in the process. They are not, as many imply here, just doing the politics in other parts of Pakistan.
This thread, as expected, takes the anti military tone due to the political biases of some members.
 
They are integrated due to geography: Much smaller area and much closer to populated areas of Pakistan. Baluchistan's very geography, its dispersed cities, and its parched land has greatly contributed to the low development indexes. Plus, yes, there is a culture problem too facing Baluchistan.
I put my faith in what the current CM Sarfaraz Bugti says about Baluchistan. He is indeed a Baluch nationalist but is Pakistani first. I really admire the guy as he speaks with clarity and passion. We should all pay attention to what he has to say.
Geography does make it harder but Pakistan has worked on integrating Balochistan properly either.
I think the best and realistic approach is district by district approach to integrate into Pakistan. Instead of Karachi expanding north towards Hyderabad it should expand west into Hub district and Hub becomes twin cities to Karachi. Then expand coast to Gwadar making Hub and Gwadar districts into Makran province. Zhob, Quetta, and Sibi divisions should be made a separate province and increased connectivity via roads, railways, and canals to Punjab, Sindh and KPK. These steps could lead to the development and integration of almost half of Balochistan within a short amount of time.
 
Yes, the border is the problem here! And it is extremely hard to manage. But to imply that the security forces are not doing anything at the border or inside Baluchistan is outright malicious lie. Security forces are indeed doing a lot of work and are dying in the process. They are not, as many imply here, just doing the politics in other parts of Pakistan.
This thread, as expected, takes the anti military tone due to the political biases of some members.
Chacha we DO NOT live in the 18th century anymore. If they want to, they can effectively manage the border.

But that'll also stop the steady income of vested interests.

Didn't you see the video from 2 days ago of literal army of Afghans storming inside Pakistan through Chaman border? And this is the fault of locals too?

You clearly are biased yourself
 
Pakistan’s deterrence seems to have fully collapsed. IOK is silent while Balochistan and KPK burn. Balochistan has become a global issue while Kashmir is a dead issue. Indian cells can assassinate anyone anywhere inside Pakistan at will. Indian proxies carrying daily attacks against Pakistan. Pakistan stuck in a two front war situation. Pakistan having to divert funds to fight multiple insurgencies despite being the one with the smaller economy. Sentiment and morals in the country is probably at one of the lowest it’s ever been.

Summary of what India has achieved over the last few years:
-Directly challenged Pakistan position on Kashmir by revoking article 370 and allowing Hindus to migrate to parts of J&K.
-Forced Pakistan in FATF greylist for many years causing all sorts of financial issues for Pakistan.
-Forced Pakistan to give up on supporting Kashmiri resistance and dismantle Kashmiri resistance networks inside Pakistan and AJK.
-Made Bajwa’s and IK’s government sign a ceasefire on LOC permanently closing that front.
-Turned international narrative against Pakistan using human rights orgs to focus on Balochistan and KPK or use anti Islam propagandists in the west to spread Pakistan hate internationally.
-Forces Pakistan to fight 2 major insurgencies in 2 of its provinces, make support for army drop to one of the lowest it’s been, and used any means to support insurgencies of all sorts all over Pakistan.
-Attacked Pakistan’s tier 1 cities and all major bases last year and established a new normal (even if they lost the war).
-Still have IWT suspended and have started construction on diverting water.
-Allied with Taliban and created a two front war situation for Pakistan.
-Assassinated anyone it wants anywhere inside Pakistan without any repercussions.
-and much more.

What has Pakistan’s response been to all this? Nothing. Pakistan has failed to counter India in every domain. India is winning against Pakistan sub conventionally, economically, politically, and in the propaganda domain.

The whole forum celebrates wins in short military engagements while those engagements themselves were strategic wins for India.

Pakistan has lost to India on all fronts.

This is what you get for going against your nature & fighting a defensive war. Give up offense & embolden your enemy to strike you again & again & repair the psychological damage inflicted on him over decades and centuries. Take the offense to the enemy & build on previous generations efforts.
 
When these generals go to all these janaazas what’s on there mind “how do I prevent this from happening to my men again “ or what’s on the menu after the janaaza ?
 
Geography does make it harder but Pakistan has worked on integrating Balochistan properly either.
I think the best and realistic approach is district by district approach to integrate into Pakistan. Instead of Karachi expanding north towards Hyderabad it should expand west into Hub district and Hub becomes twin cities to Karachi. Then expand coast to Gwadar making Hub and Gwadar districts into Makran province. Zhob, Quetta, and Sibi divisions should be made a separate province and increased connectivity via roads, railways, and canals to Punjab, Sindh and KPK. These steps could lead to the development and integration of almost half of Balochistan within a short amount of time.

Connectivity is improving in Baluchistan and locals are happier. And with CPEC taking a firm hold, more economic uplifts going to happen. Pakistani planners are well aware of the importance of Baluchistan. They are not the Nero playing flute to watch Baluchistan burn; on the contrary.
 
Scale matters. It gives deniability.

“Deniability” is no good at all. It’s “Plausible Deniability” that’s needed. Everyone concerned must know who dun’it but no one is able to pin it on you definitively.
 
Exactly this

Just give your nukes to someone. Sell them. Donate them or whatever

If your nukes can't force a bunch of charsis of bla to not kill 30 plus Pakistanis then there is no point of having nukes
Worst thing happened to Pakistan are these nukes. Because after becoming nuclear power everyone is just sitting and jerking off thinking their nukes will some how protect them. Look at other nations what they have achieved. Turks for example they don't have nuke but they have progressed in each field across every spectrum of military technology. Nukes aren't even meant to be used in actual conflict where there is a power balance. Both India Pak has power balance in nuclear spectrum. Look at ISPR general he is usually ranting that no one can think of going to war against declared nuclear state. Yet there are the countries like Israel , Iran , India has find way to fight under nuclear threshold. Even kargil , balakot , and rect may conflict all Happened under nuclear Threshold. Iran firing missiles at US , Gulf , Israel everything is happening. We need to forget about our nukes and seriously think about conventional war as our existential threat.
 
If they are smart (and capable), it would be north east.
Low level insurgency should remain in Kashmir. Insurgency and instability in IOJK is needed for Pakistan’s narrative on IOJK. The scale should be enough so it doesn’t trigger a war but quiet in IOJK puts Pakistan’s AJK and GB in danger. Insurgency in North East is to destabilize and spread India forces. Insurgency in IOJK is so AJK and GB aren’t lost.
Quiet in IOJK = instability and calls for independence in GB and AJK grow louder. India has already planned for this.
 
Low level insurgency should remain in Kashmir. Insurgency and instability in IOJK is needed for Pakistan’s narrative on IOJK. The scale should be enough so it doesn’t trigger a war but quiet in IOJK puts Pakistan’s AJK and GB in danger. Insurgency in North East is to destabilize and spread India forces. Insurgency in IOJK is so AJK and GB aren’t lost.
Quiet in IOJK = instability and calls for independence in GB and AJK grow louder. India has already planned for this.
My point was for a spectacular operation. We need a similar deniable lever. To establish deterrence.
 
Bhai i will blame State for their weak actions, i am with you on that... Pakistan has become like Gandh mai dum nai lakin hum kisi se kam nai type. But lets take this harami's suicide attackers example, he is not retarded, he knows what will his actions do, and he is driving a explosive loaded car and gonna hit a train which is used by innocent civilians who are not even trying to be near Army or police, a train can be used by anyone but he knows it, BLA knows and they still do the attack, result is right before our eyes... actions like this will never happen in any other civilized country or culture, you can not pay enough money to anyone from another culture like lets say Norway or New Zealand or Spain or Sweden to do something like that, and this is my point... TTP/BLA attacks are loud and can be seen by every baluch and pushtoon and yet you have people supporting them so what do you make of it? Do you see any Baluch even living in Islamabad or Lahore came out to protests ? or even say you know guys, we do have a problem with violence so how can we fix this among our own people?

Black people in America are seen as thugs/hooligans/violent and more prone to crimes and you will see several black influencers and people talk about the fault lines within the black culture, and how rap/gang music and single mother and absence of father is causing black youth to go towards life of crime/drugs, and that's how you try to fix a issue, by acknowledging that you have a problem, warna tu hum yehi PDF pe debate hi kerte rahen gay.

Again it is just lazy way to shift blame

The family of the terrorist had already identified him to the state of Pakistan and state of Pakistan failed to stop him

Now you can keep giving me examples of black rappers from usa but you and me both know the fact

The reason today happened is because Pakistani state has failed and has refused to even accept that it failed
 

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