Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[lightning f57]

not true, if they knew where Abdollahi, Mousavi, and Vahidi were they would have killed them by now.

the US struck in daylight because that was a good opportunity to target Khamenei and senior military leaders.

they wait for the right moment to strike. and it is not yet the right moment.

Also its smeltering hot in the summer months, if they attack they cant commit ground forces unless they want the weather to turn them into human kebabs, add to the fact they are low in precision strike weapons and interceptors.

To me its looking like trump may be settling for a low intensity conflict probably until after the mid-terms. But by then the US economy would likely be cooked as well so trump wants the SOH open.

 

[Flotilla]

No. Orangeman is delaying war until the World Cup and US 250th 4th of July celebration is over. US ISR knows where IRGC leadership is. After the 4th of July Orangeman is going to unleash on Iran unless IRGC agrees with Orangeman's terms which they will not and Orangeman hopes they don't.

If I were IRGC knowing that we're not giving up our enriched uranium I'd strike first after the 4th of July with whatever is left before US and Israel launch another massive strike. Go out with a bang.

There are credible reports saying Irán is just right now restarting to produce ballistic missiles (I suspect they retained some capability of producing under earth liquid ballistic missiles). How many of them would eventually been restock after more than a month?.
Even if they don't produce no one, if they regain access to buried stocks, they can be during months crippling not only US bases but also marítime traffic shipping lanes.
So, ok. If your Majesty King Orange I wants to have a good 4 of July, just take cover.

 

[Watandar]

No. Orangeman is delaying war until the World Cup and US 250th 4th of July celebration is over. US ISR knows where IRGC leadership is. After the 4th of July Orangeman is going to unleash on Iran unless IRGC agrees with Orangeman's terms which they will not and Orangeman hopes they don't.

If I were IRGC knowing that we're not giving up our enriched uranium I'd strike first after the 4th of July with whatever is left before US and Israel launch another massive strike. Go out with a bang.

When this doesn't happen you will move on to an "October surprise" before the election.

 

[tsunset]

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Aryan_B]

I think the longer this lasts the more desperate Trump will get

 

[Yasser76]

If Trump really has spoken to Hezballah this is unprecedented.

He is pushing Israel out the way, he is desperate.

All Iran needs to do is wait.

Wow...

 

[tsunset]

Getting a taste of their own medicine

 

[Aryan_B]

Getting a taste of their own medicine

I think colonial outpost has lost a lot of soldiers would love to know what actual casulties are

 

[hussain0216]

Netanyahu wants to expand the Israeli territories. That's his bottom line in any conflict with its neighbors. Already acquired new Syrian territories three times the size of Gaza, wants to control 70% of Gaza, and wants to acquire the Lebanese land up to the Litani River. All those three land acquisition would be gobbled up, like the West Bank being gobbled up, in the name of Israel's 'security'.
In the Israeli discourse, I rarely notice the mention of Israel's 'borders' because to them that is an expanding abstraction. Only Iran stands in Israel's way. It is a shame that a chunk of the Syrians and the Lebanese are content to lose strategic, fertile land for short term peace. If it were Pakistan's land, you'd see the response. Heck, Pakistan is fighting with a mighty power like India for four decades over and on a sliver of land 20,000+ ft in Siachen Glacier.

Israel is determined to expand it's territory based upon some religious mumbo jumbo

All the countries around it need to prepare

Hezbollah are the only near threat, and for all the pain that is Inflicted on them, their defence of Lebanon is truly admirable


As long as the FPV drones keep flying then Israel creating any buffer/security zone is near impossible,
It's vital they are pushed back into Israel

Syria has a blue print to target the Israelis occupation of their land, Syria and Turkey are currently preparing and they should be looking at what's happening in South Lebanon and realise how vulnerable Israel forces are



Their is no great Israeli forces in south Syria, their biggest weapon is the IAF which will target any advancing Syrian force or group

So FPV drones being used to target Israeli forces is the perfect weapon to harass them and their equipment



Syria should make up a fake militia or group, and have them use FPV drones to start targeting Israeli forces with the Syrian government remaining quite and having plausible deniability

 

[hussain0216]

Cannot happen though, Israel is Usa outpost in the middleeast, they will protect them economically and militarily, in another words Usa will not leave until Israeli exists, and no doubt Israel has its own agenda, to expand territory, to keep neighbours in flame or under their thumb, and keep their militaries in check.

This is true BUT their is a awakening happening in the U.S and across the world

Israel has been too obvious with the vampire like behaviour, the machinations of the Zionists have just been too obvious

Its just a question of how much has the U.S public woken to and can they force their politicians to dump Israel

It will take some time, but this will be the true weapon to destroy Israel

 

[SolarWarden]

not true, if they knew where Abdollahi, Mousavi, and Vahidi were they would have killed them by now.

the US struck in daylight because that was a good opportunity to target Khamenei and senior military leaders.

they wait for the right moment to strike. and it is not yet the right moment.

Very true. US has not gone after leadership or struck strategic targets during the ceasefire it has only "lovetapped" or returned fire on coastal Iran and PG targets.

The daylight strike that took out the top leadership was an unforeseen opportunity and they took it. US and Israel had no clue the leadership was going to be as reckless as in gathering in one spot. The strikes on Iran were 48-72 hours away before decapitation strike took place and it was going to be at night and a massive strike at that.

Orangeman knows any strike on leadership is pretty much a restart on hostilities so any strike on leadership is going to be a major strike on all of Iran. So now until 4th of July there isn't going to be any strikes on leadership or strategic targets only IADS that paint US fighters or aircraft and IRGC boats and Orangeman will say ceasefire is still on and Iran will agree.

 

[hussain0216]

If Trump really has spoken to Hezballah this is unprecedented.

He is pushing Israel out the way, he is desperate.

All Iran needs to do is wait.

Wow...

Their seems to be a suggestion that the U.S is waiting and rearming and might attack after WC is over

I don't know about this, I think the biggest weapon Iran has is economic

And the closure of the Hormuz is causing massive MASSIVE problems for the U.S and the world their are only getting worse



As bloodthirsty as the U.S is, I don't see the point of targeting high value Iranian leaders if the regime doesn't collapse in the aftermath, which it won't because that will just extend the war and the economic fallout


I think trump is done, he wants OUT and everything to go back to how it was

He just doesn't want to do it by giving Iran billions in their assets released (because Obama did it and he mocked Obama for years)

He doesn't want to give sanctions relief because that will completely change Iran's near term future

And he doesn't want to leave nuclear program as it is

Not does he want to leave iran in charge of the Hormuz



I don't think he has a choice, Israel really screwed the U.S up with this one


Iran just has to wait, the risk of a rearmed U.S is of course there and I hope Iran can produce it's drones and missiles at a good pace under stress

 

[Persian Gulf]

Very true. US has not gone after leadership or struck strategic targets during the ceasefire it has only "lovetapped" or returned fire on coastal Iran and PG targets.

The daylight strike that took out the top leadership was an unforeseen opportunity and they took it. US and Israel had no clue the leadership was going to be as reckless as in gathering in one spot. The strikes on Iran were 48-72 hours away before decapitation strike took place and it was going to be at night and a massive strike at that.

Orangeman knows any strike on leadership is pretty much a restart on hostilities so any strike on leadership is going to be a major strike on all of Iran. So now until 4th of July there isn't going to be any strikes on leadership or strategic targets only IADS that paint US fighters or aircraft and IRGC boats and Orangeman will say ceasefire is still on and Iran will agree.

why didn't the US strike Majid Mousavi, commander of the missile forces, or Ali Abdollahi, commander of the unified commander HQ, during the 39 day war, if they have precise ISR on all these leaders at all times? don't spread your nonsense here, you have the US thread for that.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

These are the words of defeat

Blockade is a siege and an act of war.