Taliban Wants To Build Afghanistan’s Air Defenses With Russia’s Help

[Corax]

Exactly been saying that too. Arm Ukraine, give them artillery and everything related to it. Artillery breaks bones and wins wars.

Give Ukraine everything they need. Russia might end up resorting to nuking Kiev but it will eventually cause the Germans to go nuclear too and open Russia itself to dirty bombs, which the Ukrainians can acquire from many sources especially Europe.

Why?! Why do we need to take sides in a war that has little bearing on our interests? We just need the Ukies to support some systems and the RD93 most notably but we can do that without taking sides in their war.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

No shit Sherlock, tell us something we don't already know. That's the way the world works, big fish feed of small fish. Pakistan could stand on its own, but it wouldn't last long. China doesn't love Pakistan for being Pakistan, it just has common interests, mostly india and access to the Gulf. If you don't like the Chinese so much, don't bother with the JF17, Al Khalid, SAMs, missiles, ships, subs, heck even probably our nukes. If you don't want to rely on mutual alliances, become as strong as China, otherwise face reality I guess.

I am telling you something many don't know. If you know, then move on instead of bitching like a little girl.

 

[Corax]

I am telling you something many don't know. If you know, then move on instead of bitching like a little girl.

Of course, most Pakistanis know things most others don't.

 

[Corax]

China does.

Cut the bullshit, China ABSOLUTELY does.

China has consistently pressured Pakistan to tread lightly in afghanistan, to protect its interests.

You need to cut the rubbish, what support has China offered to Pakistan other than arms SALES, key word, SALES , not favours.

China literally has MULTIPLE times blocked Pakistans strategic interests to keep Pakistan dependant on it.

What can Russia even do? Its arse is getting handed to it in Ukraine, it is a shadow of its former self with no political, economic or military clout.

It has propped up the adversaries of Pakistan for decades, its now time to send them packing.

Send more toys to Ukraine!

Of course it has, but why wouldn't it? Doesn't Pakistan interfere in Afghanistan? Sure, because it can, just like China, the US, etc can interfere in Pakistan.

 

[delta2]

I love how Pakistanis and tankies try to pretend China isn't as imperialistic as the west or the US.

It wants as much control and dependence of others on it as does the US.

They are a nationalistic and greedy people but try and redirect everyones attention to a racialised dichotomy where the evil guy can only be white.

No one ever said that. Everyone, including China, knows about the fault lines in China. There was a reason China had once asked Pakistani scholars to come to China to talk to the Uyghur religious leaders in helping curb the separatists. A delegation did visit the area and did have a dialog with the concerned parties. Because China knew then, as it knows now, the last thing they want is to have to fight a rebellion in an area easily accessible to the CIA/Russians/Europe.

What you said about China lecturing others about who is evil is not trur in this case. The Western popular culture and especially Hollywood have spent billions of $$ and decades of effort into making the South East Asian (Chinese/Japanese/Korean/etc) male appear as beta, submissive, undesirable, clumsy and weak whereas simultaneously portraying the Asian females as desiring only White males. This is a real phenomenon and it is reinforced on a monthly basis in the Western pop culture.

The Chinese in the past suffered heavily from the Europeans who imposed a war on China just to sell drugs.

China doesn't have to portray anyone as evil. No one is blind, everyone can see which group has committed the most unspeakablly horrible genocides and crimes against humanity all over the world. They are actually carrying out another genocide as we speak, specifically targeting and murdering children and women!!!!!

Is is not lost on Pakistan, but China has never backstabbed Pakistan nor refused assistance when Pakistan asked, and similarly Pakistan has never backstabbed China nor refused whenever China asked for assistance in anything.

After all, it was the Pakistani banking infrastrucure and banking/finance expertise that helped China adapt from the communist into the modern economy by carrying our certain reforms.

 

[delta2]

Why?! Why do we need to take sides in a war that has little bearing on our interests? We just need the Ukies to support some systems and the RD93 most notably but we can do that without taking sides in their war.

Because the Indians can only get their 5th gen, if they ever get one, capability from Russia. No one else will sell it to them, at least not the 5th gen for another 60 years.

A weakened Russia means a helpless Hindustan.

 

[Corax]

Because the Indians can only get their 5th gen, if they ever get one, capability from Russia. No one else will sell it to them, at least not the 5th gen for another 60 years.

A weakened Russia means and helpless Hindustan.

That's stretching it a bit I think, Russia would have to be significantly more weakened for something like the Su-57/75 to be impacted, after all, they've managed to keep developing the Felon into a twin seater during the war. Besides, they'd probably use indian money anyway.

 

[delta2]

That's stretching it a bit I think, Russia would have to be significantly more weakened for something like the Su-57/75 to be impacted, after all, they've managed to keep developing the Felon into a twin seater during the war. Besides, they'd probably use indian money anyway.

No, they only want dollars or Yuans or Yens or Riyals from the Indians. The Indians tried paying them in Indian Rupees, which Russia realized was utterly useless to them, and has been dumping it slowly back into the Indian market via the Handi system.

 

[Oscar]

That's stretching it a bit I think, Russia would have to be significantly more weakened for something like the Su-57/75 to be impacted, after all, they've managed to keep developing the Felon into a twin seater during the war. Besides, they'd probably use indian money anyway.

Do you know how long the twin seat felon has been in the works?
They have been severely impacted but are finally recovering. Its possible they get the su-75 in the air as well but the twin seat felon has come out from a need for a Su-57SM and then MKI need.

More importantly they(Indians) want to be able to outstick and out network Pakistan as quickly as possible.

As for AD - that is focused on mostly manpads which the Indians are trying to finance from Russia into Afghanistan and then they will try to get some excess anti drone systems in there as well based on Russian lines now scaled up from Ukraine.

 

[delta2]

That's stretching it a bit I think, Russia would have to be significantly more weakened for something like the Su-57/75 to be impacted, after all, they've managed to keep developing the Felon into a twin seater during the war. Besides, they'd probably use indian money anyway.

That doesn't mean there is no upside to a weakened Russia. Once their hands are full with Ukraine they will not have the energy to worry about India's needs. They will be in survival mode.

 

[delta2]

That doesn't mean there is no upside to a weakened Russia. Once their hands are full with Ukraine they will not have the energy to worry about India's needs. They will be in survival mode.

Also, Pakistan had good ties and relations with Ukraine, and so it is only fair to say the Pakistan should help Ukraine a bit more.

Artillery always helps and so do other munitions.

China wants to sell more so Pakistan can route those drones from factories to Ukraine in a way the Russians won't see it coming. But drones without artillery will not do much damage.

While the Americans are busy carrying out a genocide in Palestine, where a lot of Russians will want to go live, Pakistan should find ways to provide Ukraine with more help like artillery and munitions.

The Germans are basically six months away from a massive military build up so let's get it done!

 

[Corax]

Do you know how long the twin seat felon has been in the works?
They have been severely impacted but are finally recovering. Its possible they get the su-75 in the air as well but the twin seat felon has come out from a need for a Su-57SM and then MKI need.

More importantly they(Indians) want to be able to outstick and out network Pakistan as quickly as possible.

As for AD - that is focused on mostly manpads which the Indians are trying to finance from Russia into Afghanistan and then they will try to get some excess anti drone systems in there as well based on Russian lines now scaled up from Ukraine.

Yes, a long time, during which they've been bogged down in a war for almost 4 years now, with almost 500,000 killed according to some sources, but it hasn't stopped them has it? Point being they're still a very capable industrial power, and it would take significantly more to deteriorate that technical and industrial capability. Heck, it hasn't even really stopped their space launch capability much either.

 

[delta2]

Yes, a long time, during which they've been bogged down in a war for almost 4 years now, with almost 500,000 killed according to some sources, but it hasn't stopped them has it? Point being they're still a very capable industrial power, and it would take significantly more to deteriorate that technical and industrial capability. Heck, it hasn't even really stopped their space launch capability much either.

That does not mean they can't be dragged down more.

A bit of constant pressure is all it takes sometimes.

This is a do or die situation for Ukraine. If Russia can be weakened to a point of being helpless without China then good, if not then it doesn't mean one shouldn't try.

Ukraine deserves at least some help! What if they are able to overcome? One never knows. But regarldess, Ukraine should be helped more!

 

[Distant_Observer]

Russia should have been more sensitive considering their history in the region.

There shouldn't even be a discussion of any transfer of military equipment until the issue of cross border militancy is resolved and there is regime change. This is a legacy issue from the WOT and part of the reason why NATO invaded.

Taliban have not met the obligations of the Doha accord.

This is a matter for Pakistan, Europe and USA to deal with now.

We understand the position of China, they have interests and their interests will be prioritized however Pakistan being number 1 on the index is not sustainable. This requires intervention.

 

[Corax]

Russia should have been more sensitive considering their history in the region.

There shouldn't even be a discussion of any transfer of military equipment until the issue of cross border militancy is resolved and there is regime change. This is a legacy issue from the WOT and part of the reason why NATO invaded.

This is a matter for Pakistan, Europe and USA to deal with now.

We understand the position of China, they have interests and their interests will be prioritized however Pakistan being number 1 on the index is not sustainable. This requires intervention.

Utterly bizarre, we literally helped the Taliban defeat NATO, the US and Europe in Afghanistan but now we should work with them against the Taliban?!