PAF Future Acquisition Plans

Loool. That's literally all you've got. News articles and statements with an old bureaucrat or politician in the photo.

Name me one actual Chinese-invested industrial project in Pakistan that's re-exporting to China. Just 1. It's been what, 10 years now since CPEC? Surely there should be 1 by now, right?

BTW, speaking of allying with Israel, when is Beijing going to crack down on Western companies re-rerouting Chinese inputs for drones and munitions to Israel? It's been happening now for a few years; surely, you're going to stop it? Or does using Israel only come up in internet arguments?
Bro. You know, I'm rarely serious. But the way you're so desperately relaying Western narratives makes me want to laugh... China, one of the four policemen, one of the P5, one of the G2, IMF Special Drawing Rights........ You say China is very concerned about Pakistan's billions of dollars? 🤔

"Can you guess why you were able to borrow money from the IMF??".

It was China that guaranteed for Pakistan using its SDR!

 
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Look. Only China is investing in Pakistan.


Western narrative. Chinese investment. You have chosen the Western narrative.
stop using the word "investment", it is inaccurate here.

a better fit would be exploits.

investment implies an investor takes an equity stake, shares the risk, and seeks an ROI.

98% of chinese "investment" was Loans, NOT equity, that too, at non concessional rates.

If a project fails, an investor would lose their money. If a project fails under CPEC, Pakistan still pays the loan. The "investor" in this case loses nothing, and Pakistan bares all risk.

Not only that, but CPEC was a closed loop.

Pakistan was loaned money by China, to then spend those same Chinese loans on Chinese companies to come and build questionable infrastructure projects, using Chinese labour and Chinese state owned enterprises.

Its literally win, win, win for Xi and his cronies. There is nothing to lose for them, but all the upside available.

Hell, Pakistan did not even get the loans, Chinese banks would route the money to Chinese firms, and Pakistan would foot the bill and accept the project.

If these were normal investments, the chinese would be subject to market fluctuations, but the ROE is a sovereign guarantee... once again, securing an upside for the firm, with ZERO RISK.

Not only that, but it is CLEAR AS DAY, some Chinese firms have been inflating projects to rack up more money, money which will be footed by the Pakistani taxpayer.

the Sukkur-Multan motorway had a $600m discrepancy in the final costings. CSCEC was awarded the contract via a very vague process, one which Pakistan had no say, nor any involvement over, just, footing the bill.

Not only that, but energy projects were guaranteed ROI's nearly, or in excess of double of norms. Not only that, but this incentivised padding, because it would inflate the sovereign guarantees at the expense of the Pakistani taxpayer. Once again, more upside for the Chinese, without ANY risk, so again...not an investment.

The Lahore orange line cost $1.6bn for 27km. In China, high speed tracks run for about 17 million per kilometer.

Another INSANE example was Gwadar airport. Why was it built to ICAO code F standards? Which one of the 5 A380 operators is running A380 operations out of gwadar? Looking at other project costs, about 25% of the cost of the entire project would have gone to building the airport to Code F standards, i.e 65 million for A380 SPECIFIC requirements, for an aircraft type that will NEVER fly there. This is such a good example of gold plating, build to the max possible spec, frontload the high costs and requirements, and **** over the taxpayer.

Its not investment, its exploitation, investment requires a risk, a potential downside. For China, there was none.

It was awarding shady contracts to Xi's pals, with Chinese state banks frontloading however much cash they'd like, for which, the bill will go to Pakistani taxpayers. Half of every rupee collected is earmarked for debt servicing, of which, the majority is to China.

Pakistan has to take loans, to repay the interest on Chinese "investment". Sounds more like China is a loan shark, not an "investor".

You're no different to the East India company, you're literally them, but reborn. Take your "investment" and shove it up your arse.
 
Look. The whole world. Only China is investing in Pakistan. Can you imagine Turkey and the West investing in agriculture and automobile industry in Pakistan?


Are you feeling hopeless? You're just full of nonsense. You can only turn to Chinese investment.
the net social benefit of the other investors far outweighs any chinese investment which from the outset is designed to line the pockets of xi and his pals.

Chinese "investors" are the only ones in Pakistan who get risk free "investments", every other actual investor deals with the up/downsides and does not have sovereign guarantees underwriting their investments.
 
the net social benefit of the other investors far outweighs any chinese investment which from the outset is designed to line the pockets of xi and his pals.

Chinese "investors" are the only ones in Pakistan who get risk free "investments", every other actual investor deals with the up/downsides and does not have sovereign guarantees underwriting their investments.
stop using the word "investment", it is inaccurate here.

a better fit would be exploits.

investment implies an investor takes an equity stake, shares the risk, and seeks an ROI.

98% of chinese "investment" was Loans, NOT equity, that too, at non concessional rates.

If a project fails, an investor would lose their money. If a project fails under CPEC, Pakistan still pays the loan. The "investor" in this case loses nothing, and Pakistan bares all risk.

Not only that, but CPEC was a closed loop.

Pakistan was loaned money by China, to then spend those same Chinese loans on Chinese companies to come and build questionable infrastructure projects, using Chinese labour and Chinese state owned enterprises.

Its literally win, win, win for Xi and his cronies. There is nothing to lose for them, but all the upside available.

Hell, Pakistan did not even get the loans, Chinese banks would route the money to Chinese firms, and Pakistan would foot the bill and accept the project.

If these were normal investments, the chinese would be subject to market fluctuations, but the ROE is a sovereign guarantee... once again, securing an upside for the firm, with ZERO RISK.

Not only that, but it is CLEAR AS DAY, some Chinese firms have been inflating projects to rack up more money, money which will be footed by the Pakistani taxpayer.

the Sukkur-Multan motorway had a $600m discrepancy in the final costings. CSCEC was awarded the contract via a very vague process, one which Pakistan had no say, nor any involvement over, just, footing the bill.

Not only that, but energy projects were guaranteed ROI's nearly, or in excess of double of norms. Not only that, but this incentivised padding, because it would inflate the sovereign guarantees at the expense of the Pakistani taxpayer. Once again, more upside for the Chinese, without ANY risk, so again...not an investment.

The Lahore orange line cost $1.6bn for 27km. In China, high speed tracks run for about 17 million per kilometer.

Another INSANE example was Gwadar airport. Why was it built to ICAO code F standards? Which one of the 5 A380 operators is running A380 operations out of gwadar? Looking at other project costs, about 25% of the cost of the entire project would have gone to building the airport to Code F standards, i.e 65 million for A380 SPECIFIC requirements, for an aircraft type that will NEVER fly there. This is such a good example of gold plating, build to the max possible spec, frontload the high costs and requirements, and **** over the taxpayer.

Its not investment, its exploitation, investment requires a risk, a potential downside. For China, there was none.

It was awarding shady contracts to Xi's pals, with Chinese state banks frontloading however much cash they'd like, for which, the bill will go to Pakistani taxpayers. Half of every rupee collected is earmarked for debt servicing, of which, the majority is to China.

Pakistan has to take loans, to repay the interest on Chinese "investment". Sounds more like China is a loan shark, not an "investor".

You're no different to the East India company, you're literally them, but reborn. Take your "investment" and shove it up your arse.
Can you guess why you were able to borrow money from the IMF?
 
the net social benefit of the other investors far outweighs any chinese investment which from the outset is designed to line the pockets of xi and his pals.

Chinese "investors" are the only ones in Pakistan who get risk free "investments", every other actual investor deals with the up/downsides and does not have sovereign guarantees underwriting their investments.
Have you still not received any news about other investors?
 
Have you still not received any news about other investors?
why dont you answer the points i raised? MOUs and News Articles are cheap, the numbers can tell you who else actually invests. Chinese are loan sharks, not investors.
 
why dont you answer the points i raised? MOUs and News Articles are cheap, the numbers can tell you who else actually invests. Chinese are loan sharks, not investors.
Without the global trading system, it is indeed very difficult to distinguish between investment and lending.
 
Let me guess, why don't other countries have so much kindness?
rofl chinese need pak to stay afloat to service the debt...

Pak borrows from the IMF to stabilise its forex reserves so that it can pay back "chinese investments"

cpec loans ARE the driver behind IMF runs.

It is in Chinas interests to keep Pak as much away from the IMF as possible otherwise your shady deals, corruption and theft have to come to light via debt relief negotiations via common frameworks.

You are the problem.
 
Without the global trading system, it is indeed very difficult to distinguish between investment and lending.
so were making progress, your "investments" are not investments, rather loans. Some movement, but i love your attempt at trying to blame Pakistan for it.

If i was in power, i would have pulled an idi amin on you lot ages ago.
 
so were making progress, your "investments" are not investments, rather loans. Some movement, but i love your attempt at trying to blame Pakistan for it.

If i was in power, i would have pulled an idi amin on you lot ages ago.
There are still no other countries investing in Pakistan. Would they even be willing to "loan" money to Pakistan?
 
rofl chinese need pak to stay afloat to service the debt...

Pak borrows from the IMF to stabilise its forex reserves so that it can pay back "chinese investments"

cpec loans ARE the driver behind IMF runs.

It is in Chinas interests to keep Pak as much away from the IMF as possible otherwise your shady deals, corruption and theft have to come to light via debt relief negotiations via common frameworks.

You are the problem.
The levels of social development vary. China has made investments globally. However, few people view these investments as loans.
 
The levels of social development vary. China has made investments globally. However, few people view these investments as loans.
Everybody views them as loans, when the West unloaded their manufacturing to China they didn't ask to be paid back with interest.
 

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