PAF Future Acquisition Plans

[Pioneer]

Everybody views them as loans, when the West unloaded their manufacturing to China they didn't ask to be paid back with interest.

You have Western technology and Chinese technology. You have Chinese investment and loans. But you are invisible.

 

[puttputt]

Bro. You know, I'm rarely serious. But the way you're so desperately relaying Western narratives makes me want to laugh... China, one of the four policemen, one of the P5, one of the G2, IMF Special Drawing Rights........ You say China is very concerned about Pakistan's billions of dollars?

"Can you guess why you were able to borrow money from the IMF??".

It was China that guaranteed for Pakistan using its SDR!

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2540281/chinas-support-was-crucial-in-securing-imf-deal-says-pm-shehbaz

Just give me the name of 1 Pakistani industrial plant that China's invested in and that's now re-exporting to China. Just 1.

 

[Pioneer]

Just give me the name of 1 Pakistani industrial plant that China's invested in and that's now re-exporting to China. Just 1.

How much does Pakistan export to other countries?

 

[royalharris]

so were making progress, your "investments" are not investments, rather loans. Some movement, but i love your attempt at trying to blame Pakistan for it.

If i was in power, i would have pulled an idi amin on you lot ages ago.

Persuade your government, don't beg loans or investments from China.

 

[puttputt]

There are still no other countries investing in Pakistan. Would they even be willing to "loan" money to Pakistan?

Yes, no other country is 'investing' in Pakistan, if by investment we mean Chinese-style 'investment,' which are loans locked with sovereign guarantees and terms to use only Chinese suppliers.

However, Turkiye is doing what we call offsets, i.e., when selling facilities to WIL, it's re-importing the goods from WIL so that WIL can recoup its costs. Yes, Turkiye also footed loans for two Pakistani defence programs from its own fiscal exchequer, and then on top of that, offered to invest (i.e., as an acutal investor, not a loan shark) in a regional MRO and training centre for its systems in Pakistan so that, again, whatever outflows from Pak would come back as investment and sales into Pak.

How much does Pakistan export to other countries?

Just give me 1 dude.

BTW, Pakistan has a trade surplus with the USA, and among the USA's imports from Pakistan is steel. How much steel does China import from Pakistan?

Or is our steel too Muslim for you?

 

[Pioneer]

Everybody views them as loans, when the West unloaded their manufacturing to China they didn't ask to be paid back with interest.

China has indeed provided loans to Turkey and other countries. So, what is your question?

Bank of China Executes Turkiye's Largest Single RMB Loan

 

[Ak01]

China has indeed provided loans to Turkey and other countries. So, what is your question?

Bank of China Executes Turkiye's Largest Single RMB Loan

did you mean investment? for Pakistan, chinese loans are investments...

 

[Pioneer]

Yes, no other country is 'investing' in Pakistan, if by investment we mean Chinese-style 'investment,' which are loans locked with sovereign guarantees and terms to use only Chinese suppliers.

However, Turkiye is doing what we call offsets, i.e., when selling facilities to WIL, it's re-importing the goods from WIL so that WIL can recoup its costs. Yes, Turkiye also footed loans for two Pakistani defence programs from its own fiscal exchequer, and then on top of that, offered to invest (i.e., as an acutal investor, not a loan shark) in a regional MRO and training centre for its systems in Pakistan so that, again, whatever outflows from Pak would come back as investment and sales into Pak.

Just give me 1 dude.

but, Turkey is also seeking loans from China. It's not just Pakistan... But can Pakistan only export goods to China?

 

[puttputt]

but, Turkey is also seeking loans from China. It's not just Pakistan... But can Pakistan only export goods to China?

BTW, Pakistan has a trade surplus with the USA, and among the USA's imports from Pakistan is steel. How much steel does China import from Pakistan?

Or is our steel too Muslim for you?

 

[Pioneer]

did you mean investment? for Pakistan, chinese loans are investments...

but, Turkey is also seeking loans from China. It's not just Pakistan... So. Our approaches to global trade are different... No one cares about the billions of dollars that Pakistan has. Even less than the market value of some medium-sized Chinese companies.

 

[royalharris]

A large share of China’s manufacturing industry is shifting to Southeast Asian countries, and Southeast Asia has also become one of the most dynamic regions in the global economy. Countries like Pakistan should think about how to improve their governance, education, healthcare, culture, and public security to catch up with Southeast Asia. Perhaps then they could attract more Chinese investment. Investment is always drawn by a country’s own potential, not by pleading or complaining.

 

[Ak01]

but, Turkey is also seeking loans from China. It's not just Pakistan... So. Our approaches to global trade are different... No one cares about the billions of dollars that Pakistan has. Even less than the market value of some medium-sized Chinese companies.

China cared enough to write dodgy contracts for Xi and his cronies. Clearly people care enough, otherwise China would not be driving its imperial ambitions all over the globe via its debt trap diplomacy

 

[Ak01]

Perhaps then they could attract more Chinese investment.

this is the last thing Pakistan should seek out.

Chinese fishing trawlers swamp Arabian Sea, Baloch fishermen in Pakistan protest - ICSF

Pakistan has given fishing rights to China in the Arabian Sea near Gwadar port in Balochistan. Now, the sea on the Baloch coastline is dotted with hundreds of

icsf.net

Oh look, a prime example of Chinese imperialism, causing the local security situation to get worse. Who'd have thought.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Calm down. You don't want to waste time checking. Just like I don't want to waste time dealing with stupidity.

Control your emotions.

Stop trolling again, I'm not triggered at at all But I'm talking facts about your country's military development history ,may be you're just fan boy enthusiast who don't know damn about military tech and its history

and there is no doubt Pakistan will get J-35 much earlier than Turkish KAAN

I'm triggered because you're bullshitting China is developing engines FROM SCRATCH SINCE 60s without giving any proofs that which engine made by China FROM SCRATCH in 60s

This was already explained in this thread. J‑35AE arrival depends on prep work, economy, and the regional situation. Most likely 2029–2032 (based on recent pictures and articles).
KAAN timeline is between 2035–2038 because of Turkish engine.

China’s engine story started in 1950s. From the 50s to the 70s, they built Soviet engines under license. That’s how they learned the basics. They pushed for local engines in the 70s, but the first serious one was WS‑10 which started in 1987. It's obvious that China got help from foreign tech, imported engines, Reverse engineering, Russian and Western knowledge.

 

[puttputt]

A large share of China’s manufacturing industry is shifting to Southeast Asian countries, and Southeast Asia has also become one of the most dynamic regions in the global economy. Countries like Pakistan should think about how to improve their governance, education, healthcare, culture, and public security to catch up with Southeast Asia. Perhaps then they could attract more Chinese investment. Investment is always drawn by a country’s own potential, not by pleading or complaining.

If Chinese 'investments' in Southeast Asia are anything like they've been in Pakistan, then it's an excellent strategy for destroying those economies. Brilliant way of defeating your potential rivals. 100%.