Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Pakistani and Turkish military hierarchy are in the pay of the CIA.

You have bought too much non-sense about the Pakistani domestic politics. I know a certain powerful segment of the Pakistani domestic politics is misguiding non Pakistanis about the Pakistani military and unfortunately most non Pakistanis have bought that non sense. To disabuse you: The Pakistan military had stopped the American supplies to Afghanistan for months in early 2010 due to a border incident until the Americans apologized over the incident. Pakistan has a huge economic dependence on America and the EU, which the sorry, sad state of Pakistan can't ignore. And that's all. Economy.

Don't believe the BS a dozen Pakistanis spew here against the Pakistani military. They are, as I call them, The Reza Shah Pahlavi Brigade of Pakistan.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Well, I’m not sure about your confidence; but I’ll say that one thing Iran has done well in this war is expand the scope of the conflict/war arena to GCC countries, the world economy (by closing the Strait of Hormuz); whereas Israel cannot escalate the same way against Iran to deliver a knockout blow, because it will face an existential threat if the war is prolonged and expanded (facing direct threats from multiple non-state actors at its border).

For the first time, Iran is setting the agenda/rules/conditions of the war. It is not playing the game Israel wants it to play.

The reason Jews have never dominated militarily in their 3000+ years history is because they aren’t great warriors.

They are leeches who rely on others.

Israel cannot act alone.

Whereas Iran is happiest when acting alone.

 

[unconventional]

Even the deep state cannot ignore mass opposition to Israel.

If the deep state was in control - US would have invaded Iran by now.

Once US decided against ground invasion - the war was lost.

Ground invasion was the only chance of victory.

But US voters did not want victory at a heavy price because they don’t believe in this war.

We’ll see about that, you might be right. Or you might not be. We’ll find out soon enough.

Regardless, it was a pretty good move by Iran. It’s a win-win situation; because they have established deterrence, as well as have plenty of strong options if the war gets restarted.

 

[BananaRepublic]

We’ll see about that, you might be right. Or you might not be. We’ll find out soon enough.

Regardless, it was a pretty good move by Iran. It’s a win-win situation; because they have established deterrence, as well as have plenty of strong options if the war gets restarted.

I am pretty confident Trump isn’t going to escalate.

Israel has been cut off.

Iran needs to be ready to respond to a tactical nuke.

 

[Meengla]

Well, I’m not sure about your confidence; but I’ll say that one thing Iran has done well in this war is expand the scope of the conflict/war arena to GCC countries, the world economy (by closing the Strait of Hormuz); whereas Israel cannot escalate the same way against Iran to deliver a knockout blow, because Israel will face an existential threat if the war is prolonged and expanded (facing direct threats from multiple non-state actors at its border).
For the first time, Iran is setting the agenda/rules/conditions of the war. It is not playing the game Israel wants it to play.

Israelis are trying to expand their borders which their pampered, emigration-prone population can't sustain. There are only about 50 million Jews in the entire world. Israel has a tough time containing even the West Bank Palestinians, let alone Gaza, let alone trying to gobble up southern Lebanon or the territories in the Golan Heights or the recently acquired territory in southern Syria.
A pampered emigration-prone population duped into settling down in a desert climate surrounded by people who hate, hate, hate you is not a recipe for long term survival. Maybe the Rabin of the 90s had the right idea or the Israeli founders before him but Netanyahu is scripting Israel's demise. That's what Chas Freeman says.

 

[Persian Gulf]

another aspect of today's events: Israel attacked Beirut to establish deterrence against Hezbollah firing rockets at north Israel

but now Israel didn't respond to Iran (yet) and the next time they fire Beirut, they know Iran will fire more missiles at Israel. so what will Israel do the next time Hezbollah fires rockets at north Israel?

 

[FUB]

Happy Sunday to everyone

 

[Meengla]

NY Times main page right now. A pivotal, and probably decisive point will be the American reaction to this recent escalation. By now the majority of us can conclude that the Americans want out and that the Israelis want to escalate. The American response will settle if there is any truth behind the conspiracy theories behind the ceasefire buying time for Israel/America to replenish or not.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

"Netanyahu will have no choice but to accept an Iran deal. I call the shots. I call all the shots. Bibi does not." - President Trump

This could be a psyop. Trump has not shown any determination to withstand Netanyahu's pressure. Before he agreed to Netanyahu's demands on the Feb 28 war against Iran, his VP, secretary of state, and Pentagon's Joint Chiefs of Staff were all against the war, yet he overruled them and followed Netanyahu's lead.

Truth is, Trump is playing a good cop while Netanyahu is playing the bad cop. At the end, Netanyahu and Neocons in Washington are prevailing over Trump.

 

[FUB]

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[unconventional]

another aspect of today's events: Israel attacked Beirut to establish deterrence against Hezbollah firing rockets at north Israel

but now Israel didn't respond to Iran (yet) and the next time they fire Beirut, they know Iran will fire more missiles at Israel. so what will Israel do the next time Hezbollah fires rockets at north Israel?

One thing we need to be cognizant of.

Iran’s redline for Israel was Beirut/Dahiya, not all of Lebanon (including southern Lebanon). There were plenty of attacks by Israel, and Israeli incursions into southern Lebanon, without eliciting a response from the Iranians.

Even Trump’s previous statement was about him asking Netanyahu not to attack Beirut.

So this might (or might not) be a mistake on Iran’s part. Maybe they feel confident that Hezbollah and their FPV drones can inflict serious damage on the Israelis and increase costs on them; so they don’t need to get directly involved.

I’m not so sure about that: while think Israel has incurred a big cost in southern Lebanon, Southern Lebanon (not Hezbollah necessarily) has incurred a far greater cost from Israeli attacks.

It will be humiliating for Israel to not directly attack Iran after this, but they can still keep the heat up (or expand) in southern Lebanon and not get the Iranians involved.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Israeli Ministry of Health: Mobilization of Human Resources to Hospitals for Swift Transition to Emergency State

Casualties from Iranian missile and drone attacks must be high. Or it could be that they want to escalate the war against southern Lebanon and Iran and expect increased casualties.

 

[lightning f57]

"Netanyahu will have no choice but to accept an Iran deal. I call the shots. I call all the shots. Bibi does not." - President Trump

Is there some friction building? Iran needs to pile the pressure on more create a fissure between these 2 cronies.

 

[Kyussis]

20-25 missiles can actually deter US/Israel even if 70%-80% of make it through the interceptors and hit value targets in Israel. But problem is, US/Israel have been really effective in intercepting almost all of the missiles launched at Israel in this conflict which started Feb 28.

No they have not!