TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Ali_Baba]

Even if TF35000 goes wrong they can always buy license from chinese or russian companies...

I dont see China providing an engine for a platform that will be a competitor to its own J-35AE product.

 

[MMM-E]

I dont see China providing an engine for a platform that will be a competitor to its own J-35AE product.

Turkiye doesnt need anything from China
TEI is confident and TF-35.000 Engine project is progressing very well

even MSB-ARGE surprised us with its GUCHAN turbofan Engine project


In the worst-case scenario, We could reverse engineer the GE F110 Engine and add extra technologies to use this Engine for the KAAN Fighter Jet

 

[BonPlan]

We have no issues when it comes to weapons or avionics; our only problem is the engine. Today, we are the world's largest producer of UCAV munitions. We can integrate virtually any type of munition into virtually any UCAV. Doing the same for the Kaan would be very easy for us

What about Fly by Wire ?
What about GaN embarqued radar ? (a harder task than to developp a radar for destroyer)
What about sensor fusion ?

As said some month ago, you already struggle to fine tune BATU engine for your Altay MBT, so a fighter engine....

 

[BonPlan]

The arms package that Turkiye can offer to other Countries to create a force multiplier for Air Forces

Only USA and Turkiye can show this capability in NATO

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MUM-T manned unmanned teaming
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Germany and France are not even close to Türkiye's current level.

It makes no sense for Germany to start a €100 billion euro project on its own when there is already ready-made project like Turkish KAAN in NATO

Who is Germany's enemy ? Russia, meaning it will face the SU-57
and the KAAN can compete with the SU-57; in fact, with the MUM-T concept
( KAAN + KIZILELMA + ANKA-III/IV ) will even be technologically superior to Russia

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But , political reasons are among the strongest barriers to Germany joining or investing in Turkiye's KAAN program

Germany sees Turkiye as a rival Country in the Balkans , Libya , Cyprus , Eastern Mediterranean , Syria , Middle East , Caucasus , In the Horn of Africa and in central Asia

LOL.
France is the 2nd weapon exporter of the world. What about Turkey ? not in the 10 best.

 

[BonPlan]

f we cannot procure the F110 engine from the U.S., what you're saying will happen. However, even if it takes longer than expected, have no doubt that it will eventually become one of the best fighter aircraft in the world

Without engine, no jet. (it is called a glider).
You are in the uncle Sam hands. Remember F-35 saga....

Have a look to China : they needed decennials, billions and ten of thousand engineers just to be able to copy and paste russian engines. Now they seem independant, but what a trial !

Have a look to India : they tried but failed not to copy (as the specialist of copy and paste : China) but study from scratch a modern engine, Kaveri. A half failure, not able to run in reheat mode.

So... GOOD LUCK !

 

[MMM-E]

LOL.
France is the 2nd weapon exporter of the world. What about Turkey ? not in the 10 best.

You will see what about Turkiye in 2029
KAAN+KIZILELMA+ASOJ-23A = no more RAFALE in BVR combat

even ANKA-III stealth UCAV is coming with MURAD AESA Radar and air to air Missiles

Ok keep dreaming with RAFALE until 2050

 

[BonPlan]

We could reverse engineer the GE F110 Engine and add extra technologies to use this Engine for the KAAN Fighter Jet

Crystal blades. Is Turkey able to produce that ?

 

[BonPlan]

You will see what about Turkiye in 2029
KAAN+KIZILELMA+ASOJ-23A = no more RAFALE in BVR combat

Ok keep dreaming with RAFALE until 2050

KAAN, with US engine, will not be really operationnal before 2035 at best.
You underestimate the task.

 

[royalharris]

KAAN, with US engine, will not be really operationnal before 2035 at best.
You underestimate the task.

Turkey is not yet capable of independently designing and producing a fourth-generation fighter jet, let alone a fifth-generation fighter jet.Turkey still has a long way to go before achieving a true fifth-generation fighter jet, Turkey should not try to elevate itself by putting down aviation powers that are far stronger than itself. but the ambition and drive it has shown are still admirable.

France seems to be relying on its past achievements; when it comes to the latest cutting-edge technologies, there is little visible progress.

 

[GoatsMilk]

The future is MUM-T concept
and Germany has no technology to develop unmanned stealth Fighter Jet - flying-wing stealth UCAV

Even France-The UK still lacks unmanned stealth Fighter Jet technology

first go and finish developing of EuroDrone ( turboprob engined UCAV )


These Countries Turkiye , USA , China leads MUM-T concept in the World


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Turkish Aerospace CEO Prof. Dr. Mehmet Demiroğlu:

"The UK , Japan , France, Germany are working on the 6th generation. We are also working on it, and we will finish it first.

KAAN will be at the center of the 6th generation. We are conducting our efforts through KAAN."

wasnt the failure of eurodrone blamed on the germans by the other partners?

 

[MMM-E]

Crystal blades. Is Turkey able to produce that ?

Only USA and Turkiye produce nickel-based superalloy single crystal blade with additive manufacturing method in the world

What about GaN embarqued radar ? (a harder task than to developp a radar for destroyer)
What about sensor fusion ?

Even KIZILELMA is equipped with sensor fusion
MURAD AESA Radar + TOYGUN EOTS + KARAT IRST + DAS Cameras + FEWS-U EW Suite

They have no idea what's going on in the world, and yet they come here spouting nonsense.

 

[MMM-E]

wasnt the failure eurodrone blamed on the germans by the other partners?

Europe is over

-- Europe could not develop even a turboprob engined UCAV like Turkish AKINCI

-- Europe doesnt have unmanned stealth Fighter Jet like Turkish KIZILELMA

-- where are TARANIS and NEURON ? Turkish ANKA-III fired even munitions from internal weapon bay and will be delivered to the Turkish Air Force in 2027

-- FCAS project is dead .. No any active project for France-Germany
and there is no 35.000 lbs turbofan engine project for France-Germany

 

[MMM-E]

There are two companies in the world that can process Aircraft engine turbine blades with the additive manufacturing Nickel Superalloy method

one is General Electric from USA , the other is TEI from Turkiye


Turkiye’s most complex aviation engine part consolidated with additive manufacturing

A product that originally consisted of 330 separate parts can be made in a single run, on a single bench with additive manufacturing

 

[MMM-E]

The Turkish developer of the stealth material for F-35 and B-2 Aircraft confirmed his work on KAAN.

Ergün Kırlıkovalı: “We are working with TUSAŞ on a new material for KAAN.”



TURKISH ENGINEERS MADE IT

Comparison of the image quality of EOTS systems that are invisible to radar, found only in the F-35 and KIZILELMA in NATO

Both the F-35's EOTS (AN/AAQ-40,) and the Aselsan TOYGUN on Turkiye's KIZILELMA are among the world's only fully embedded/low-observable (stealthy, radar-invisible aperture) Electro-Optical Targeting Systems (EOTS)

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TOYGUN (Kızılelma): 1280×1024 pixel HD MWIR (mid-wave infrared) thermal camera (~1.3 megapixels). High-resolution IR imaging with AI-supported automatic target recognition, classification, and tracking

AN/AAQ-40 ( F-35 ): Original baseline uses a high-sensitivity MWIR sensor (estimated ~1024×1024 or ~1 MP class )


Even KIZILELMA is equipped with sensor fusion
MURAD AESA Radar + TOYGUN EOTS + KARAT IRST + DAS Cameras + FEWS-U EW Suite

 

[Deino]

f we cannot procure the F110 engine from the U.S., what you're saying will happen. However, even if it takes longer than expected, have no doubt that it will eventually become one of the best fighter aircraft in the world

Well, then Kaan is heavily delayed for the TAF and IMO all export prospects and as such as I’ve already said, all grandiose Turkish delusions à la MMM-E are simply out of the question; it’s a naive calculation, eben eine "Milchmädchenrechnung"! And as for all these superlatives, isn’t it enough to simply complete the project successfully and not just muddle through like India?

C´mon Deino...
TF35.000 it is closer than any FCAS/GCAP or SKAFT or DUKFS!!!
Even if TF35000 goes wrong they can always buy license from chinese or russian companies...

No-one - especially not me - said, FCAS/GCAP or whatever will be earlier even more so since they are a totally different generation, and IMO TF35000 is maybe closer but surely not close enough!
And regarding China: They will NEVER EVER sell Turkey a licence for any of their high end engines! Why should they when the lack of an engine kills a competitor especially why nationalsits like MMM-E pretend, they don't need anything from China.
And Russia has nothing n offer at least nothing that would even more harm the Turkish.US-relations.

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In the worst-case scenario, We could reverse engineer the GE F110 Engine and add extra technologies to use this Engine for the KAAN Fighter Jet

And there we have yet another example of how this is driven by mindless jingoism, coupled with criminal arrogance and technical incompetence: “So we’ll just copy the F110, then!??” Sure, and Uncle Sam will surely turn a blind eye, just because a few megalomaniacs disregard IP rights, flout every contract, and above all are foolish enough to believe that just because they’ve been cobbling together F110s for a few years, they can just copy an F110 ready for series production in 2–3 years.
The only problem is that Kaan is still underpowered with this stolen, copied engine, making all those big-talk performance claims simply illusory!

And that brings us back to point one: If the TF35000 doesn’t pan out, Kaan is a stillborn as an operational fighter!