TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[MMM-E]

Very interesting claim
By 2035, 9 countries plan to add KAAN to their inventory.


Saudi Arabia: 100 KAAN
Spain: 60 KAAN
Indonesia: 48 KAAN
Pakistan: More than 40 KAAN
Qatar: 40 KAAN
Egypt: 24 KAAN
Azerbaijan: Approximately 20 KAAN
Malaysia: Approximately 20 KAAN
Syria: Approximately 20 KAAN

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The moment we develop the TF-35,000 engine, Indonesia, Pakistan, Azerbaijan, Qatar and Malaysia will definitely buy KAAN

and many other countries will follow


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Another technology that Turkiye will offer here is the MUM-T concept
( KAAN , KIZILELMA , ANKA-III/IV )

No country other than the US , Turkiye and China will be able to offer this capability.

 

[Deino]

Very interesting claim
By 2035, 9 countries plan to add KAAN to their inventory.

Saudi Arabia: 100 KAAN
Spain: 60 KAAN
Indonesia: 48 KAAN
Pakistan: More than 40 KAAN
Qatar: 40 KAAN
Egypt: 24 KAAN
Azerbaijan: Approximately 20 KAAN
Malaysia: Approximately 20 KAAN
Syria: Approximately 20 KAAN
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You're really cute—I can't describe it any other way! I don't know if you're familiar with it, but in Germany we have an expression called “Milchmädchenrechnung”!

“Milchmädchenrechnung” is the term used to describe a naive calculation or line of reasoning that overlooks key factors and therefore arrives at a conclusion that, while plausible, is incorrect.

In short, according to these, a girl goes to the market with a jug to sell milk, and as she walks, she dreams of the profit with which she wants to buy this and that—including another calf—so she can sell even more milk later and eventually become rich... unfortunately, she isn’t paying attention, stumbles, and the milk jug breaks!

Accordingly, this is a calculation based on fallacies or illusions.
- when someone fails to include important parameters in their reasoning and thereby arrives at a result that sounds plausible but is nevertheless incorrect.
- that a complex topic is viewed in an overly naive manner. Relevant aspects are ignored, and while the result may seem plausible, it is nevertheless incorrect.

And it’s exactly the same with Kaan... if the TF35000 fails or its development is delayed—and I’d bet almost anything on that—then all your great expectations of export successes are simply smoke and mirrors, aka NOTHING!

 

[Eşbah]

France keeps humiliating Germany.

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They try to block any cooperation between Saab and Germany. I wonder what the Spanish think about this.

 

[hodor]

As for now it is not even a nice aero show jet.

The last film about it in flight shown it, undercarriage open, flying low and straight. Maybe I'm late.

But the weapon system is far far from being complete and fine tune.

But contrary to germany, at least Turkey has something to show, and to improve.

We have no issues when it comes to weapons or avionics; our only problem is the engine. Today, we are the world's largest producer of UCAV munitions. We can integrate virtually any type of munition into virtually any UCAV. Doing the same for the Kaan would be very easy for us

 

[MMM-E]

But contrary to germany, at least Turkey has something to show, and to improve.

The arms package that Turkiye can offer to other Countries to create a force multiplier for Air Forces

Only USA and Turkiye can show this capability in NATO




MUM-T manned unmanned teaming


Germany and France are not even close to Türkiye's current level.

It makes no sense for Germany to start a €100 billion euro project on its own when there is already ready-made project like Turkish KAAN in NATO

Who is Germany's enemy ? Russia, meaning it will face the SU-57
and the KAAN can compete with the SU-57; in fact, with the MUM-T concept
( KAAN + KIZILELMA + ANKA-III/IV ) will even be technologically superior to Russia

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But , political reasons are among the strongest barriers to Germany joining or investing in Turkiye's KAAN program

Germany sees Turkiye as a rival Country in the Balkans , Libya , Cyprus , Eastern Mediterranean , Syria , Middle East , Caucasus , In the Horn of Africa and in central Asia

 

[hodor]

I know you by now, and I know that "truth" is a pretty flexible concept for you; after all, the moment you can twist someone's argument or even just deliberately misinterpret it, you’re right back in your element.

So, let me spell this out for you—and to be quoted, too:

- NO, Kaan certainly isn't a "paper project"—I never claimed that... but it isn't a combat-proven system yet, either; it doesn't have a radar installed whose development is complete and whose performance parameters have been verified.

- None of the RCS figures are confirmed, none of its other performances and let's be clear: Kaan is a prototype with only TWO —that's "2," for the idiots out there— flights under its belt as a demonstrator... the actual prototype hasn't even flown yet, yet you're already exaggerating as if it were confirmed to be operationally superior to XYZ.


I know we’ll have this discussion many times over the coming years, and every time, you’ll ignore arguments, spread PR propaganda, and bash anyone who criticizes it. But as long as the engine isn't finished (and it’s nowhere near ready) and the avionics package isn't considered production-ready, the whole thing is anything but finished!

And even you can't deny that!

f we cannot procure the F110 engine from the U.S., what you're saying will happen. However, even if it takes longer than expected, have no doubt that it will eventually become one of the best fighter aircraft in the world

 

[Flotilla]

And it’s exactly the same with Kaan... if the TF35000 fails or its development is delayed—and I’d bet almost anything on that—then all your great expectations of export successes are simply smoke and mirrors, aka NOTHING!

C´mon Deino...
TF35.000 it is closer than any FCAS/GCAP or SKAFT or DUKFS!!!
Even if TF35000 goes wrong they can always buy license from chinese or russian companies...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Even if TF35000 goes wrong they can always buy license from chinese or russian companies...

I dont see China providing an engine for a platform that will be a competitor to its own J-35AE product.

 

[MMM-E]

I dont see China providing an engine for a platform that will be a competitor to its own J-35AE product.

Turkiye doesnt need anything from China
TEI is confident and TF-35.000 Engine project is progressing very well

even MSB-ARGE surprised us with its GUCHAN turbofan Engine project


In the worst-case scenario, We could reverse engineer the GE F110 Engine and add extra technologies to use this Engine for the KAAN Fighter Jet

 

[BonPlan]

We have no issues when it comes to weapons or avionics; our only problem is the engine. Today, we are the world's largest producer of UCAV munitions. We can integrate virtually any type of munition into virtually any UCAV. Doing the same for the Kaan would be very easy for us

What about Fly by Wire ?
What about GaN embarqued radar ? (a harder task than to developp a radar for destroyer)
What about sensor fusion ?

As said some month ago, you already struggle to fine tune BATU engine for your Altay MBT, so a fighter engine....

 

[BonPlan]

The arms package that Turkiye can offer to other Countries to create a force multiplier for Air Forces

Only USA and Turkiye can show this capability in NATO

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MUM-T manned unmanned teaming
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Germany and France are not even close to Türkiye's current level.

It makes no sense for Germany to start a €100 billion euro project on its own when there is already ready-made project like Turkish KAAN in NATO

Who is Germany's enemy ? Russia, meaning it will face the SU-57
and the KAAN can compete with the SU-57; in fact, with the MUM-T concept
( KAAN + KIZILELMA + ANKA-III/IV ) will even be technologically superior to Russia

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But , political reasons are among the strongest barriers to Germany joining or investing in Turkiye's KAAN program

Germany sees Turkiye as a rival Country in the Balkans , Libya , Cyprus , Eastern Mediterranean , Syria , Middle East , Caucasus , In the Horn of Africa and in central Asia

LOL.
France is the 2nd weapon exporter of the world. What about Turkey ? not in the 10 best.

 

[BonPlan]

f we cannot procure the F110 engine from the U.S., what you're saying will happen. However, even if it takes longer than expected, have no doubt that it will eventually become one of the best fighter aircraft in the world

Without engine, no jet. (it is called a glider).
You are in the uncle Sam hands. Remember F-35 saga....

Have a look to China : they needed decennials, billions and ten of thousand engineers just to be able to copy and paste russian engines. Now they seem independant, but what a trial !

Have a look to India : they tried but failed not to copy (as the specialist of copy and paste : China) but study from scratch a modern engine, Kaveri. A half failure, not able to run in reheat mode.

So... GOOD LUCK !

 

[MMM-E]

LOL.
France is the 2nd weapon exporter of the world. What about Turkey ? not in the 10 best.

You will see what about Turkiye in 2029
KAAN+KIZILELMA+ASOJ-23A = no more RAFALE in BVR combat

even ANKA-III stealth UCAV is coming with MURAD AESA Radar and air to air Missiles

Ok keep dreaming with RAFALE until 2050

 

[BonPlan]

We could reverse engineer the GE F110 Engine and add extra technologies to use this Engine for the KAAN Fighter Jet

Crystal blades. Is Turkey able to produce that ?

 

[BonPlan]

You will see what about Turkiye in 2029
KAAN+KIZILELMA+ASOJ-23A = no more RAFALE in BVR combat

Ok keep dreaming with RAFALE until 2050

KAAN, with US engine, will not be really operationnal before 2035 at best.
You underestimate the task.