Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

Why whatever happened to ‘only total surrender’ and taking Iran’s oil? Now reduced to slating demonic Israeli pals and ‘wait to see terms’ eh lol. How the mighty fall.

It is only prudent to wait to see the terms first before suffering from premature celebration from any side. and I have maintained that from the beginning.

The Orange Clowns' bluster is immaterial.

(The real demons hide in the details, always.)

 

[Lulldapull]

You do realize that self-sacrifice/suicide is as old as humanity itself?.. Human stupidity may be limitless, but so is man's willingness to die or kill for a cause...

From a purely materialist perspective, even Karbala could be dismissed as collective suicide. Yet history remembers it very differently...

The mistake is assuming that once the cost becomes high enough, humans will always choose survival. History says otherwise...

I don't believe these current conflicts have the potential to escalate to the level of having to resort to using nukes.

Both Ukraine and Iran are wars of choice.

Its almost impossible for anybody to contemplate using nuke weapons in either of them.

And fat kim is no threat to anybody.

 

[Lulldapull]

Agree with Dr Nasr on his thoughts that at the end of the day, the US abandoned the GCC to the whims of Iran:

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[mangekyo]

You should be more optimistic.
During this 60 days Irán will assemble a lot of missiles, replace part of destroyed Air defenses and collect a huge amount of cash. And with cash the rest will come. Air force should be second after re-stocking the missile inventory.
Anyway it is easier to replace 10 missiles than a long range fix radar in Qatar or Emirates or Kuwait.

That’s still not going to make the US honor the deal.

 

[Meengla]

Agree with Dr Nasr on his thoughts that at the end of the day, the US abandoned the GCC to the whims of Iran:

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Right and by now most of us here seem to know the changed dynamics in the region. I believe Netanyahu's folly of attacking Qatar was a turning point much like India's Modi attacking Pakistan in May 2025.

Dr. Vali Nasr is a great analyst and Mehdi Hassan should let him talk more and not put words in his mouth.

 

[Jagga Badmash]

Israeli openly saying they didn't nor recognize US-Iran peace pact and will not halt offensive against Lebanon, Further they claim that they will not vacate the area whatever they have captured and vows to capture until deep Beirut but problem is that Iran issues no statement yet.

 

[Meengla]

That’s still not going to make the US honor the deal.

And what exactly are the American options after, say, 2 months or 4 months or one year? Bring an armada of vessels to attack Iran again? Build up the forces in the US bases near Iran, build up those bases and radars, only to be in short range of the Iranian missiles? Even if Iran maintains its current depleted stockpiles of missiles and drones, in future they would be still enough to give back a lethal blow.

It is over, guys, it is over as far as a direct American involvement in a war on Iran. Per my understanding, it was already over when a ceasefire was announced in April this year.

 

[BHAN85]

Fat Kims just a $4 billion dolla punk. He'll get taken out in no time and then Russia or China will have to get involved to save that country.

DPRK don't got a military.

Look at the performance of the Russian military in Ukraine.

Get real man.

Da fuqq did 6000 nukes do for Russia in Ukraine?

Nukes always have an effect, but maybe is not the effect you're expecting.

Main effect is deterrence, i.e: something that we dont see.

Nukes modify USA destabilization plans before it starts.

Without nukes, it would be no Ukraine war but direct Russia war.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

 

[Lulldapull]

Right and by now most of us here seem to know the changed dynamics in the region. I believe Netanyahu's folly of attacking Qatar was a turning point much like India's Modi attacking Pakistan in May 2025.

Dr. Vali Nasr is a great analyst and Mehdi Hassan should let him talk more and not put words in his mouth.

Amazing how the US military abandoned its own bases and fled, what speak about defending the GCC or honoring its security commitments/ pacts with the GCC.

I believe if anybody was looking for proof on the effectiveness/ precision/ devastation of Iranian strikes on the GCC/ US military........this is the proof in da pudding.

I agree with Dr Nasr that now the strategic situation has dramatically changed.

GCC will never or more like can never trust the US again.

 

[Optical216]

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9/11 for Monarchists

 

[BHAN85]

Iran war like Ukraine war, it's not over.

It only has moved to another stage with less USA involvement.

USA is a superpower in decline, and like all collapsing empires, they are dropping far conquered lands like Europe and GCC, but ensuring the destruction of former territories through Ukraine and Iran war.

US said moving 20% of its refuelers from Ben Gurion Airport, easing travel pressure

Presence of 72 American aircraft in recent months is crowding out civilian planes at Tel Aviv’s international airport, threatening to ground 2.4 million summer travelers

www.timesofisrael.com

Nobody wonders why they keep 80% rest if eternal Iran peace is achieved.

Besides Trump tried to drag Europe to Hormuz in recent G7 meeting.

So a Iran war with Israel and Europe involved, without USA, it would be wonderful from USA interests point of view.

How will the Strait of Hormuz be demined? Trump to address strategy at G7 summit

President Donald Trump is expected to discuss demining the Strait of Hormuz at the Group of Seven summit amid growing momentum for a peace agreement to end the Iran war.

www.livenowfox.com

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/g7-will-ensure-us-iran-deal-implemented-strait-of-hormuz-reopens-french-president/3967575

UK will play full part in reopening Strait of Hormuz, Starmer says

The prime minister says the UK is working with other countries on a plan to protect vessels in the key waterway.

www.bbc.com

In fact these things are simple, USA is just fcking their allies.

The hard is think freely in the middle of a mountain of USA bullshit narrative and lies, and all their little minions repeating made in usa nonsenses.

 

[Homajon]

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A bad comparison. I could explain why, but in the comment section there are already some good counter arguments.

 

[Meengla]

Anyone here trying to belittle the political changes in America are either uninformed or plainly dishonest in presenting the changes.
1) Some months ago, not a single Republican House Rep. had voted in vote of the War Powers Act. But a few weeks ago, enough Republicans switched sides to pass that vote.
2) Just a few days ago, 4 Republican Senators crossed the floor to vote in favor of the War Powers Act; the motion failed by just one vote! But still shows the trend even in the US Senate.
3) JD Vance in the Megyn Kelly show yesterday is remarkable: He is taking on the Israel Firsters Neo Cons over this war. That he went to the MK show itself is remarkable because she and Tucker are brutally targeting Israel these days.
4) Trump insults many countries but his recent attacks on Israel and Netanyahu are by far the worst against any country.

On top of above, polls after polls show Israel losing ground in the American public opinion. So there is a reason the Israelis hate Trump and Vance and the Israel Firsters are mobilizing to stop the changed American policy on Israel by using the Israeli stooges like Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, and Tom Cotton.

 

[Master Chief]

She meets her fatherland

They don't care about their own. They will accept collateral harm to Indian civilians. Likewise they trample over their own to get to western countries for "opportunities saar!". The crying about "terrorism" is completely fake and is a simple excuse to take Pakistani land, which they always dreamed was "rightfully" theirs as part of a Hindu rashtra. A vile and incorrigible nation.