Indus Water Treaty: Discussion, News & Updates

It's flow becomes 3+ MAF during 4 months of summer glacier melting + monsoon flood season. Tunnel can drain more than 1 MAF in 4 months of May-Aug alone.

Again, that’s peak flow confusion... "3+ MAF in 4 months" is flood-season volume, not usable, divertible supply... Rivers don't run as harvestable tanks...

Turning that into " over 1 MAF can be drained" assumes near continuous max diversion with no sediment, safety, or ecological limits....something no real Himalayan diversion system operates at.
 
As for Indus water treaty, it's not the same anymore. With the capability to store or to divert partially increases over Time , Pakistan will receive less water accordingly, it's a long process and it will be gradual , you will not even realise it and will get used to less water.

"If wishes were horses, Tejas would fly"

If gradual "silent reduction" of a treaty bound river system were that easy, it would've already rewritten hydrology textbooks....

Nice theory though... just not how physics, storage limits, or the Indus system actually work...
 
That is still textbook conversion, not irrigation reality.... "2 MAF = 1.5 million acres wheat deprived" assumes water is uniformly available, perfectly deliverable, and fully efficient at farm level, none of which is true in the Indus system...

Crop water demand is not met from a single source.... it’s a mix of canal supply, rainfall, losses, and groundwater... So there is no direct "missing MAF = missing acres" linear equation....

And pushing it further to "even more via borewells" just shifts the argument again, from river allocation to groundwater depletion, without changing the basic point..... : water systems don't translate into clean acreage arithmetic...
Oh indeed, it will not have arithmetic effect but compounding multiplier effect. Drying aquifers, small farmers dependent on canals taking debts for gensets and borewells. Or opting out of particular crop seaons.

Again, that’s peak flow confusion... "3+ MAF in 4 months" is flood-season volume, not usable, divertible supply... Rivers don't run as harvestable tanks...

Turning that into " over 1 MAF can be drained" assumes near continuous max diversion with no sediment, safety, or ecological limits....something no real Himalayan diversion system operates at.
Oh no.. silting..
not something a desilting basin can't solve. It's already included in the project.

Tunnel max capacity is 3.3MAF means 1.1 MAF for 4 months. It has desilting basin ahead of the tunnel, so 0.8-0.9 MAF can be extracted inspite of losses during desilting process
 
Pakistan has always behaved as a petty & bad faith actor, exploiting every available mechanism to obstruct and delay Indian projects even on waters that are unambiguously India's under the Indus Waters treaty...... Rather than honoring the spirit of cooperation as enshrined in IWT, it has repeatedly resorted to procedural roadblocks and obstructionist tactics to undermine India's legitimate rights over it's own waters. Whole moto of Pakistan is damage India anyway possible. The real deeper reason why Pakistan has repeatedly behave this way is well understood by Indian establishment. It may have taken India longer than to recognize & respond to this patterns, but as the saying goes, "Der aaye, durust aaye." The days of endless concessions and one sided generosity are over. No more free lunches or in this case, free water for Pakistan going forward. 🙂

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indeed, it will not have arithmetic effect ..
Good, you finally understand this basic point...

Tunnel max capacity is 3.3MAF means 1.1 MAF for 4 months. It has desilting basin ahead of the tunnel, so 0.8-0.9 MAF can be extracted inspite of losses during desilting process

First, where exactly is this "3.3 MAF tunnel capacity” coming from? ... There is no publicly verified design discharge or even confirmed tunnel specification to justify turning it into precise MAF claims...

Everything after that is assumption stacked on assumption...

Second, converting any annual number into neat monthly extraction ignores basic hydrology....glacial rivers are highly seasonal, not evenly divisible flows...

Third, "desilting basin solves it" isn’t a switch you turn on... sediment loads are variable and operational limits still cap continuous diversion...


In short, it’s not engineering reality, just stacked assumptions presented as precision...

That’s not hydrology, it’s spreadsheet logic imposed on a chaotic river system.
 
Pakistan has always behaved as a petty & bad faith actor, exploiting every available mechanism to obstruct and delay Indian projects even on waters that are unambiguously India's under the Indus Waters treaty...... Rather than honoring the spirit of cooperation as enshrined in IWT, it has repeatedly resorted to procedural roadblocks and obstructionist tactics to undermine India's legitimate rights over it's own waters. Whole moto of Pakistan is damage India anyway possible. The real deeper reason why Pakistan has repeatedly behave this way is well understood by Indian establishment. It may have taken India longer than to recognize & respond to this patterns, but as the saying goes, "Der aaye, durust aaye." The days of endless concessions and one sided generosity are over. No more free lunches or in this case, free water for Pakistan going forward. 🙂

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It will take only one nuclear blast to open entire indus. Pakistan is not Gaza and India is not Israel. Even USA gulf and Israel could not take down iran which no airforce, navy or air defense than imagine what Pakistan would do to india when it is matter of life or death?
 
Pakistan has always behaved as a petty & bad faith actor, ..

A post starting with such ridiculous comments can't be taken seriously... You aren't here for a discussion, go back to your third rate Indian fora please
 
Pakistan has always behaved as a petty & bad faith actor, exploiting every available mechanism to obstruct and delay Indian projects even on waters that are unambiguously India's under the Indus Waters treaty...... Rather than honoring the spirit of cooperation as enshrined in IWT, it has repeatedly resorted to procedural roadblocks and obstructionist tactics to undermine India's legitimate rights over it's own waters. Whole moto of Pakistan is damage India anyway possible. The real deeper reason why Pakistan has repeatedly behave this way is well understood by Indian establishment. It may have taken India longer than to recognize & respond to this patterns, but as the saying goes, "Der aaye, durust aaye." The days of endless concessions and one sided generosity are over. No more free lunches or in this case, free water for Pakistan going forward. 🙂

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IWT was great for India. They got full control over 3 eastern rivers, that allowed them to build Indra canal in to Rajasthan. Under international law Pakistan would have rights over 3 eastern rivers and India couldn't divert that water. Its just that now India is in panican mode because as decades pases the dams they build on eastern rivers will be filled with silt so more and more water will come to Pakistan even from eastern rivers.

India knew they can't use much water from 3 western rivers anyway.

This again proves Pakistan establishment was right all along. To build nukes and keep IoK dispute alive.
 
Pakistan has always behaved as a petty & bad faith actor, exploiting every available mechanism to obstruct and delay Indian projects even on waters that are unambiguously India's under the Indus Waters treaty...... Rather than honoring the spirit of cooperation as enshrined in IWT, it has repeatedly resorted to procedural roadblocks and obstructionist tactics to undermine India's legitimate rights over it's own waters. Whole moto of Pakistan is damage India anyway possible. The real deeper reason why Pakistan has repeatedly behave this way is well understood by Indian establishment. It may have taken India longer than to recognize & respond to this patterns, but as the saying goes, "Der aaye, durust aaye." The days of endless concessions and one sided generosity are over. No more free lunches or in this case, free water for Pakistan going forward. 🙂

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Yes. Bad faith is clearly all ours.

"Bad faith" that Hindustan controls the source and floodplain of 3 eastern rivers and the source (to varying degrees) of 3 western rivers, while Pakistan controls the flood plain of the same 3 western rivers.

Further "bad faith" is demonstrable when Hindustan assumes sovereign control at all of sources arising in occupied lands.

Indeed. The IWT was meant to mitigate harm to and exploitation of Pakistani riparian rights as enshrined in UN resolutions on the same matter. Browse earlier in the thread where the relevant UN documentation has been referenced extensively.

You are one step behind the debate.

We know Hindustan has broken a treaty and reneged on its responsibilities as a UN signatory. We are beyond that reality now. The discussion now entails what will happen as a consequence of this.
 
It will take only one nuclear blast to open entire indus. Pakistan is not Gaza and India is not Israel. Even USA gulf and Israel could not take down iran which no airforce, navy or air defense than imagine what Pakistan would do to india when it is matter of life or death?
Pakistan is welcome to do anything it's deem appropriate 🙂

A post starting with such ridiculous comments can't be taken seriously... You aren't here for a discussion, go back to your third rate Indian fora please
Indus Water Treaty is done & dusted, what's there to discuss anymore, only thing left now is cope & more cope 😔
 
A post starting with such ridiculous comments can't be taken seriously... You aren't here for a discussion, go back to your third rate Indian fora please
This. Really there is a Indian journalist called kay, he said that quote to quote "Indian media purposely fed wrong analysis of Pakistan like it is a ruins or a desert kind of situation where there Army have no equipment and it would be a like walking in the park like in Iran or Afghanistan and our military can blast any structure or target they like in Pakistan and that was the reason we lost some jets due strike by Pakistan. He said that there are Indian army retired analysis who purposely feed wrong news that Pakistan has no fighter jets or not maintained and it would counter it like running on motor cycle like in bollywood style movie climax".

Just imagine where would 170 plus nuclear including 2700 plus tanks, 400 fighter jets, 400 plus high tech large drones including 600 plus rocket artillery along with many others would go? Of course there pin point would be only India with full on Mutual destruction.
 
Pakistan is welcome to do anything it's deem appropriate 🙂


Indus Water Treaty is done & dusted, what's there to discuss anymore, only thing left now is cope & more cope 😔
So you accept breach of a formally concluded and ratified treaty that is binding upon its signatories in the eyes of international law?

We can put your government's narrative of "abeyance" firmly to rest now? Or does this fantasy pseudolegal nomenclature persist?
 
We cannot take revenge for something you imagine, it's been over a year now you guys have been claiming victory without showing any meaning full damage on Indian side. India has shown satellite images and videos to back most of their claims and damage on Pakistani side. 9 terrorist locations and 11 military installations or bases.

As for Indus water treaty, it's not the same anymore. With the capability to store or to divert partially increases over Time , Pakistan will receive less water accordingly, it's a long process and it will be gradual , you will not even realise it and will get used to less water.

There is a post already explaining that you can not steal r water. He has replied to my post.

Secondly wrong place to comment on the war, but let me just say, India was whipped, the end. Showing images of what exactly, craters, holes. We shot down down ur jets, u could not fly for 3 days or more. Your entire air force grounded. How in God's name can Indians still comment on this war. Just imagine, India a country 10 times r size with so many more jets and yet they were grounded!! Jeez. So just nip it right here. I hope you all dont try to take revenge, nobody likes war. Time will tell if they do start sth or not.

Edit: highly doubt the indians will do sth as stupid as steal r water. If they do, trust me, there will be a reply from our side. So pointless to discuss it here u til the indians start to do sth. Currently they r only barking
 
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Here is another interesting fact, since 1980 water in 3 western rivers have increased and in 3 eastern rivers decreased.

  • Western Rivers (Indus, Jhelum, Chenab): Increased significantly (pulling the average up).
  • Eastern Rivers (Ravi, Sutlej): Decreased significantly (pulling the average down).
  • The Entire Basin: Netted out to an 8% overall increase because the gains in the west outweighed the losses in the east.

  • For comparison, the study noted the neighboring Ganga basin saw a 17% drop in flow due to similar groundwater depletion and increased atmospheric heat.


This explain their desperation to get hand on Pakistan water which will not be allowed.
 
So you accept breach of a formally concluded and ratified treaty that is binding upon its signatories in the eyes of international law?

We can put your government's narrative of "abeyance" firmly to rest now? Or does this fantasy pseudolegal nomenclature persist?
Funny how "international law" suddenly becomes sacred only when it suits Pakistan. It's amusing that you are fixated on semantics while ignoring decades of bad faith petty conduct of your country for obvious reason that made the current situation inevitable. International agreements presume reciprocal good faith, not one party exploiting every loophole while expecting perpetual concessions from the other. If Pakistan wanted the benefits of the treaty indefinitely, it should have honored the broader conditions that make such cooperation possible. In real world fortunately actions have consequences.
 

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