Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Watandar
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Not sure about this theory sir. Israel has no need to spy in Switzerland because the Swiss will allow the US to spy 24/7 on the Iranian delegation.
Also israel has used Holocaust to completely cuck these Europeans. They will never do anything against Israel.
BananaRepublic
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Do the “US perspective” folks know?
Or are they still going to peddle alternative facts?
tsunset
The Legend
Iran won but at what price?
We lost hundreds of billions and thousands of innocent lives by these savages and their snakes accomplices
This is like a shark ripping the legs of a diver and tries to kill him but fails then the diver survives and says he won against the shark, sure but at what cost?
Mr. Dolan argues that the United States or the West has not abandoned Israel by emphasizing several points:
Overall, Dolan sees the situation as complex with no clear-cut abandonment, but as a strategic recalibration in an evolving conflict where both US and Israel continue to pursue their security objectives.
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This is the assessment of Michael Doran.
That is him: https://www.hudson.org/experts/1035-michael-doran
He is a pro-Israeli, pro-NATO Atlanticist, and a neoconservative but doesn't really like Trump. The reason I follow him is his perspective and stance on Turkey. He is one of the few neocons in the US Think Tank landscape who is generally pro-Turkish. His stance on the Middle East, however, is unwaveringly pro-Israel, but he remains very, very grounded in his geopolitical evaluations. He takes a highly realistic stance on the matter, and the statements above were articulated as a counterargument to Israeli nationalists who feel that the US has abandoned them.
1. The current US policy towards Iran is historically aggressive, arguably the most forceful in 20 years, including multiple military actions against Iranian proxies and pressures on Iran's nuclear program.
2. Trump’s shift from war to peace talks is viewed as a tactical change, not capitulation. It reflects careful consideration of internal pressures such as public opinion, Congress, midterm elections, and military resource limits.
3. The situation in the Middle East has always involved limits on Western intervention; this is not a drastic change but a continuation of known patterns.
4. Despite some agreements that seem to favor Iran, such as reopening the Strait of Hormuz, the US has degraded Iran’s capabilities and set back its nuclear enrichment, showing an ongoing determination to defend its interests and Israel’s security.
5. The US and Israel still retain strong deterrent options and military answers to the Iranian threat.
6. Trump’s criticism of Netanyahu is consistent with his usual personal approach and transactional style of politics, not a sign of abandoning Israel.
7. The deal (MOU) with Iran is a tactical retreat that buys time and keeps options open for future American action rather than a surrender or betrayal of Israel.
Overall, Dolan sees the situation as complex with no clear-cut abandonment, but as a strategic recalibration in an evolving conflict where both US and Israel continue to pursue their security objectives.
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This is the assessment of Michael Doran.
That is him: https://www.hudson.org/experts/1035-michael-doran
He is a pro-Israeli, pro-NATO Atlanticist, and a neoconservative but doesn't really like Trump. The reason I follow him is his perspective and stance on Turkey. He is one of the few neocons in the US Think Tank landscape who is generally pro-Turkish. His stance on the Middle East, however, is unwaveringly pro-Israel, but he remains very, very grounded in his geopolitical evaluations. He takes a highly realistic stance on the matter, and the statements above were articulated as a counterargument to Israeli nationalists who feel that the US has abandoned them.
BananaRepublic
Trusted Member
If the diver prevents the shark from swimming in his water - gives space for his people to grow - eventually the people will kill the shark.
This war was about survival and denying the shark territory.
BananaRepublic
Trusted Member
Second rate analysis - predicated on the stupid belief that Iran wants to challenge USA militarily or economically.
Hence the stupid point over nuclear enrichment.
All Iran wants is to be left alone.
Iran has now set a steep price for US meddling in its internal affairs.
US voters aren’t prepared to pay the price of interfering in Iranian affairs.
Because it doesn’t directly benefit US population.
Iran’s gain will last because it’s not at the cost to the US population - hence US population will not be prepared to pay the price.
fitpOsitive
Elite Member
Dear Iran, USA will come back to bomb you again. Most probably after the murder of Mr Trump. Next president which will assume within days of removal of Trump will send forces straight to you. So keep bombing Israel, specially destroy their aerial capabilities ( bases and ports) , destroy their water sources. I mean whatever you can before USA launches it's full power on you ( you might not survive that). Keep Persian Gulf open, and keep pounding Israel.
After Iran is flattened, it will turn on Pakistan. Pakistan better hide some of its capabilities, in case the major capabilities are neutralized by Israel. Pakistan should already pin point the Targets within Israel which will cripple all defenses of Israel and will give a chance to neighbors to finish the job.
Listen both Iran and Pakistan, next 4 to 5 months will be decisive for both of you.
After Iran is flattened, it will turn on Pakistan. Pakistan better hide some of its capabilities, in case the major capabilities are neutralized by Israel. Pakistan should already pin point the Targets within Israel which will cripple all defenses of Israel and will give a chance to neighbors to finish the job.
Listen both Iran and Pakistan, next 4 to 5 months will be decisive for both of you.
Viet
VIP Member
Iran wins the war, that’s the most consensus in Europe. Trump crashes down to earth with a humiliation surrender. That’s shocking for Europe.
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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Custodial chain... who's talking to whom... how's the power structure arranged... where does the chain end. What if you rearrange the deck... which parts move... it exposes the inner workings.
A drawback for smaller nations is their inept, adrift or meandering bureaucracy. Orange sends his two cronies that are literally stonewallers and ideologically motivated. Whereas Iran's bureaucracy lits up nodes... names, locations, positions...
Weaknesses and weaklings.
This isn't done yet.
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Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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Arabs pay for a guardian angel running a protection racket. Pay and get bombed regardless and get bombed you for mere US presence... and if you don't pay guardian angle gets to bomb you and take whatever you got regardless... now protect my bases ... I got a demon to raise.
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Meengla
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I think Israelis have even cursed Jared Kushner in last few days for not standing up for Israel as a fellow Jew.
But ultimately the family ties, the personal biases, and even personal monetary gains can't over ride larger American interests in the region. And the American interests lie in exiting from this war.
I believe the Americans are going back to the Obama policy in the Middle East: Pivot to the Pacific along with the Monroe Doctrine. The Middle East is becoming some dwindling returns environment. Too bad for Israel though.
