Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

We didn't settle our score with the West, we surrendered to an unfair deal that benefitted the Europeans, mainly France, Germany and Italy, for the most part. The JCPOA was a mistake, it put Iran in a much weaker position than before, encouraging the idea that Iran cannot stand against the US, but if we survive this war and we prove we can defend ourselves against the US militarily, we will be in a stronger position.

The Americans are not going to rise up and take care of their corrupt government. The situation in the United States is bound to get worse, regardless of what Iran does. I remember somebody said that the French revolution started because 20% of the wealth was controlled by less than 1% of the population. More than 30% of the wealth in the US is controlled by less than 5% of the people and average Americans live paycheck to paycheck but nobody is doing anything about it except for some Gen-Z rants on the internet.

The US foreign policy is controlled by Israel. Defeating the US military won’t do anything unless the people revolt and cut off Israel’s influence.

 

[tsunset]

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[ShapurII]

The US foreign policy is controlled by Israel. Defeating the US military won’t do anything unless the people revolt and cut off Israel’s influence.

I think the influence of Israel over the US politics has been exaggerated to some extent.
The US allows Israel to do what it wants to do because the US wants to maintain order and the status quo in the region, not the other way around. Israel has successfully suppressed every resistance movement in the region for decades. Without Israel, the US would've been dragged into perpetual wars in the Middle East to control the resources of our region. There's no doubt that this is a win-win situation for both the US and Israel.

Sure, Jewish billionaires buy politicians in the US, and they control the media, Hollywood, banking, financial systems, etc. but at the end of the day, the people who are in actual control of the US as a whole are Americans of European origin, mainly WASPs.

 

[Watandar]

Iran has the habit of pushing its theological weight in socially fractured countries under different premises and has been doing so for almost 4 decades.People with some wisdom left warned them of consequences and now here we are.The War has entered their own house.

The War entered their house in 1980 when Saddam Hussein attacked with the full support of the US,Israel and the GCC.

 

[Eşbah]

Although that is accurate, a military defeat has historically been the most dependable factor in restraining the US and keeping the Americans at bay. See North Vietnam, the Taliban, China, and North Korea.

In the context of US foreign policy, only a hard defeat can override Israeli influence.

The US foreign policy is controlled by Israel. Defeating the US military won’t do anything unless the people revolt and cut off Israel’s influence.

In this situation, it does not imply that Iran is seizing control of the entire region from the US or that the Persian Gulf is filled with wrecked US ships and aircraft; rather, it means that Iran has the capability to withstand US military pressure for an indefinite period of time.

 

[Abdul q]

Wikipedia voted to keep the Iran war article as an Iranian victory permanently

This is astonishing that all anti-Iran western medias are all depicting Iran as the victor

truth coming from this media is a rare sight to witness indeed…

 

[Immortals]

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[Meengla]

I think the influence of Israel over the US politics has been exaggerated to some extent.
The US allows Israel to do what it wants to do because the US wants to maintain order and the status quo in the region, not the other way around. Israel has successfully suppressed every resistance movement in the region for decades. Without Israel, the US would've been dragged into perpetual wars in the Middle East to control the resources of our region. There's no doubt that this is a win-win situation for both the US and Israel.
Sure, Jewish billionaires buy politicians in the US, and they control the media, Hollywood, banking, financial systems, etc. but at the end of the day, the people who are in actual control of the US as a whole are Americans of European origin, mainly WASPs.

I used to to have this simplistic idea that it was just the Israeli Lobby that is responsible for the wars in the Middle East but over last 2-3 years, I have a rethink of that. The Lobby indeed works for Israel but there are the gains for America as well as you have hinted toward in your post. If Petro Dollar wasn't enough then also consider how many trillions the rich Arab countries have invested in basically unusable weaponry bought from America.
Having said that, Americans were glad to have left a dominant Israel to help with the gravy train of trillion of dollars of wealth continue except the problem is that there are too many Americans and too many Israelis who have done, what we call in software engineering, 'feature creep': Expansion of the Israeli borders based on ideological reasons. And that expansion has been facing resistance and here we are: Israel has become a liability now.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Iran has the habit of pushing its theological weight in socially fractured countries under different premises and has been doing so for almost 4 decades.People with some wisdom left warned them of consequences and now here we are.The War has entered their own house.

Your ignorance of reality never ceases to amaze me!

It’s the US proxy Saudis who have been pushing Wahhabism down our throats.

And they have been labelling Shias as heretics - funding the likes of ISIS.

And I say this as a Bangladeshi Sunni.

 

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[PakistanLVR]

Iran has the habit of pushing its theological weight in socially fractured countries under different premises and has been doing so for almost 4 decades.People with some wisdom left warned them of consequences and now here we are.The War has entered their own house.

Maybe it’s strange for non Shia Muslims to see a Muslim power actually come to the aid of their fellow Muslims so that’s why you feel this way. I don’t blame the non Shias, you’re too busy being thrown to the wolves by your “leaders” so they can get crumbs from the table. Nothing personal against you or any of the other non Shias here, but Shias have always come to the aid of their fellow Muslims which include Sunni Palestinians too

 

[lightning f57]

One thing I find intriguing if the news on SOH closing again is accurate, the diplomacy with the meeting in Switzerland continues, so they havnt said no to talking until yahu is reigned in. Maybe they will demand face to face.

 

[PakistanLVR]

i don't think he has much of understanding of real geopolitics and all the players. He's got much to learn it seems on the mighty game of chess.

Don’t bother with him. He’s unhinged in his views so much that he’s spreading a false narrative that Pakistan couldn’t make dent with “2nd tier Chinese weapons” lmao.
What a fkn lunatic

 

[PK781]

i personally have no high hopes for whatever happens in Switzerland. Israel is belligerent as usual and has not been controlled at all......so what will they discuss?

what a useless bunch of shitty circus ongoing.

They couldn't do this useless meeting on Zoom ??

Better to just go back to war and wreck the global economy and mideast?
its more honorable to go destroy israel