Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Import organic not that glyphosate poisen.

Organic is overpriced. Import no agricultural products from the US. That's the best option.

 

[Jalz]

I wonder if Iran can spend some of those assets however it wants.

 

[krash]

I’m a Shia with family ties to Iran - he’s not a wannabe Iranian, just a severe case of mental issues. He’s sh*tting on the Chinese technology and weapons after they showed their worth in last years conflict.

Either this member is an effective ragebaiter (given his incendiary comments) or someone really out of touch with reality and lacks a clue about everything that’s going on. The way he talks about Islam, Muslims, Pakistanis made me think he is a Hindu with enough Hasbara skillsets to divide people effectively.

We've watched his posts for years. He's been made to tone it down through moderation. No more overtly racist comments against fellow Pakistani Muslims Vs Iranian Muslims, at least. I'm sure you know others of his type. His gripe right now is the lack of support China showed for Iran.

Pakistanis have an inherent need to throw themselves at other countries/people for ridiculous pretenses of affiliation; religion, ethnicity, sect, "friendship", favorite football club. Then we fight amongst ourselves for the same ridiculous pretenses of difference. Happens when you don't have anything to show for yourself.

 

[HAIDER]

Wise words.
As someone close to me always says: Penny saved, penny earned!

I am afraid, a " SWIFT" handcuff setup by Western world is losing its grip and countries has found or explored more channels of financial transactions to pump the economy.
Imagine , CIA own software Crypto server tracker expose there own Crypto servers accidently and they ail unable to recognize.

 

[Meengla]

I am afraid, a " SWIFT" handcuff setup by Western world is losing its grip and countries has found or explored more channels of financial transactions to pump the economy.
Imagine , CIA own software Crypto server tracker expose there own Crypto servers accidently and they ail unable to recognize.

I saw a few weeks ago that due to Trump's aggressive (and insulting) posture toward Europe, starting with the Greenland, Europeans are thinking of alternate to SWIFT and even alternates to VISA/Master Card/Paypal etc.
Off topic though.

 

[Meengla]

Not sure about this.

Although the April ceasefire was against Netanyahu’s wishes, and even these talks are, I would not say that the April ceasefire and this are against Israel. Trump (or any other administration) would never do anything against Israel.
Why isn’t the April ceasefire or these current talks against Israel? Because if Israel and the US were fighting a long war against Iran, with Israel’s (and the US’s) limited number of missile defence systems (compared to Iran’s far greater number of ballistic and cruise missiles), Israel would be facing an existential threat.
These talks are just fact facing, that the victor of the war (Iran) has to be given big concessions. But that comes at the expense of IAEA inspectors on their soil that will certainly ensure their program is strictly used for civilian purposes (enrichment levels strictly capped at 3.67%, and their HEU stockpile diluted or destroyed). That will protect Israel at least from a nuclear threat that was existential for them. The other threats from Iran (ballistic missile attacks, support to non state actors) are not existential to them.
This is similar to the JCPOA, it was never against Iran, it was always in the interest of Israel that Iran was able to enrich for civilian purposes only.
If the US actively blocked all defensive or offensive weapons sales to Israel, I’d say that would be against Israel, because Israel on its own cannot sustain itself or its wars.

Israel may not be in some 'existential threat' right now but by now it is hard to find any analyst giving the recent war a spin to make Israel came out ahead! Israelis are alarmed and in deep gloom! If the MOU and subsequent was so meaningless you seem to imply then the Israelis and their surrogates in America wouldn't be breast beating and wouldn't be trying to sabotage the MOU and its consequences.

As to the IAEA inspections: I don't think Iran has any issues with them.

 

[Watandar]

Another mea culpa by a conservative journalist, albiet one whom I have never heard of. He admits the US went into this war with no plan and is very bitter about its defeat.

https://thehill.com/national-security/5930898-iran-strait-hormuz-us-surrender/

 

[Yasser76]

Israel may not be in some 'existential threat' right now but by now it is hard to find any analyst giving the recent war a spin to make Israel came out ahead! Israelis are alarmed and in deep gloom! If the MOU and subsequent was so meaningless you seem to imply then the Israelis and their surrogates in America wouldn't be breast beating and wouldn't be trying to sabotage the MOU and its consequences.

As to the IAEA inspections: I don't think Iran has any issues with them.

Strategically Iran has played a blinder. They have helmed in plans for any greater Israel that goes north, Egypt blocks them to the south.

My worry is they will try and placate their zeolots and extremists by annexing all of Gaza and West Bank. This is all they have left. It can be the price to be paid for peace in Iran and Lebanon will be to release the Israeli pit bull against the Palestinians.

 

[Bad Shah]

Why India always mother/wife. Be man sometimes.

 

[HAIDER]

I saw a few weeks ago that due to Trump's aggressive (and insulting) posture toward Europe, starting with the Greenland, Europeans are thinking of alternate to SWIFT and even alternates to VISA/Master Card/Paypal etc.
Off topic though.

Yes, this is new opening and trading opportunity for Iran.

 

[Meengla]

Strategically Iran has played a blinder. They have helmed in plans for any greater Israel that goes north, Egypt blocks them to the south.
My worry is they will try and placate their zeolots and extremists by annexing all of Gaza and West Bank. This is all they have left. It can be the price to be paid for peace in Iran and Lebanon will be to release the Israeli pit bull against the Palestinians.

West Bank is gone and I don't see short of a strategic military defeat of Israel, there can be any Palestinian state more than a Bantustan in our lifetime. Gaza will rise again when replenished. I don't think Israelis can take the rest of Gaza without paying a huge price in military losses. The Gazans hold contiguous land even if shrunk.
But speaking of Egypt: Pakistan's Foreign Minister was in Egypt just a couple of days ago meeting the Saudi, Turkish FM there. Very interesting!

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[Ali_Baba]

I am afraid, a " SWIFT" handcuff setup by Western world is losing its grip and countries has found or explored more channels of financial transactions to pump the economy.
Imagine , CIA own software Crypto server tracker expose there own Crypto servers accidently and they ail unable to recognize.

Countries across the world are setting up new payment rails, the EU will have its own dedicated on that is independent of the USA, even the UK is starting to look to develop that independenct. SWIFT will decrease in time because the protocol has become weaponised itself.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Another mea culpa by a conservative journalist, albiet one whom I have never heard of. He admits the US went into this war with no plan and is very bitter about its defeat.

https://thehill.com/national-security/5930898-iran-strait-hormuz-us-surrender/

US military planners are some of the best in the world. That US leaders don't want to listen is concerning.

 

[Yasser76]

West Bank is gone and I don't see short of a strategic military defeat of Israel, there can be any Palestinian state more than a Bantustan in our lifetime. Gaza will rise again when replenished. I don't think Israelis can take the rest of Gaza without paying a huge price in military losses. The Gazans hold contiguous land even if shrunk.
But speaking of Egypt: Pakistan's Foreign Minister was in Egypt just a couple of days ago meeting the Saudi, Turkish FM there. Very interesting!

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I think as Israel's international isolation grows they may just not care and go all in on Gaza and West Bank. Naturally this will result in global sanctions (even US have said this is a red line), but I do not see how a nation built in expansionism, war and racism can suddenly stop.

Israel will eventually implode though, 100% for sure, then it will be a task of how you get the important stuff out (Tech, skilled workers, stealth jets nukes etc)

 

[PakistanLVR]

We've watched his posts for years. He's been made to tone it down through moderation. No more overtly racist comments against fellow Pakistani Muslims Vs Iranian Muslims, at least. I'm sure you know others of his type. His gripe right now is the lack of support China showed for Iran.

Pakistanis have an inherent need to throw themselves at other countries/people for ridiculous pretenses of affiliation; religion, ethnicity, sect, "friendship", favorite football club. Happens when you don't have anything to show for yourself.

China has strategically supported Iran. I don’t even know what he’s talking about. The Chinese are not going to come down and manned the missile launches. They worked in ways with minimal footprints that we can’t or won’t see. Look at the Pakistan’s example, it’s just coming out now that the Chinese engineers were right there at PAF air bases assisting. He went and sh*tted on them in spite of this.

Yeah his racial stuff made me angry. He’s chummy with the J33ts so I assumed he is one too.