Starmer’s future hangs in balance after Burnham’s Makerfield election win

I am thinking of retiring to the villages in the UK, alot lot cheaper than the main cities, though the weather is not as nice as Italy or Spain.

Pros and cons there depending on where you retire. I did consider this, SE still expensive, looked at Cornwall and Devon too but Daughter is working in London so a bit far off. Even moving to Spain or Italy you can live in luxury, low cost of energy and groceries, pool, and I can visit daughter and family via a 90 minute Easyjet flight for £100.

See how tempting it is to leave?
 
What is the UK’s future economic competitiveness actually based on? It doesn’t innovate enough or create billion dollar new industries the way the US does. Past wealth can only carry you so far. At this rate, the UK seems headed for lower living standards, and politicians will end up looking for new scapegoats to keep the public angry at someone else.

Oh do f**k off Paj. India right now would be falling over themselves to join Tempest fighter project and ask for "Phull technalagy transfaaar saaaar!"

The UK may have issues, but lets not kid ourselves, when it comes to tech, innovation and skills it is far far far ahead of India
 
Pros and cons there depending on where you retire. I did consider this, SE still expensive, looked at Cornwall and Devon too but Daughter is working in London so a bit far off. Even moving to Spain or Italy you can live in luxury, low cost of energy and groceries, pool, and I can visit daughter and family via a 90 minute Easyjet flight for £100.

See how tempting it is to leave?

Having spent a lot of time living as an expat in mainland Europe, it being a local language wise is quite isolating esp given our complexions aswell. It sounds good, reality is a bit different etc.

Good luck if you do, the weather is a lot better!
 
Having spent a lot of time living as an expat in mainland Europe, it being a local language wise is quite isolating esp given our complexions aswell. It sounds good, reality is a bit different etc.

Good luck if you do, the weather is a lot better!

Yes, my wife is fluent in Italian and Spanish, she did warn me of this too. I just think its a price worth paying rather then growing old in the UK now. I did not used to think like this, but country has changed, or maybe thats what everyone thinks whenever they get to a certain age?
 
I am thinking of retiring to the villages in the UK, alot lot cheaper than the main cities, though the weather is not as nice as Italy or Spain.

I was thinking the same finishing my rat race banking career selling my detached boys moved out..

But I'm concerned about the racial divide will I actually settle now will I be accepted in the local village pub

Tbf I on my national trust days out I'm.fine people are great on the countryside..
But then I see the demos the day time TV shows on race quotes from. Reform and restore and think Ammi better where I am in mixed community

But I love the English countryside and the history and need slower simpler life

Punjab maybe ?
Nah can't manage more than three weeks tbh

God I hope I don't get deported by farage and co 😂
 
Pros and cons there depending on where you retire. I did consider this, SE still expensive, looked at Cornwall and Devon too but Daughter is working in London so a bit far off. Even moving to Spain or Italy you can live in luxury, low cost of energy and groceries, pool, and I can visit daughter and family via a 90 minute Easyjet flight for £100.

See how tempting it is to leave?
Come up to Yorkshire bro - family for 4 eat out - drink as much as you like - pay your electric bill and gas and petrol bill and still have change from a tenner.......
 
I was thinking the same finishing my rat race banking career selling my detached boys moved out..

But I'm concerned about the racial divide will I actually settle now will I be accepted in the local village pub

Tbf I on my national trust days out I'm.fine people are great on the countryside..
But then I see the demos the day time TV shows on race quotes from. Reform and restore and think Ammi better where I am in mixed community

But I love the English countryside and the history and need slower simpler life

Punjab maybe ?
Nah can't manage more than three weeks tbh

God I hope I don't get deported by farage and co 😂
You are right bro - you wont be accepted in the majority of these places but there are good areas - for example Wales - i go their frequently - place called Ammanford. Brilliant area and places to visit................
 
Come up to Yorkshire bro - family for 4 eat out - drink as much as you like - pay your electric bill and gas and petrol bill and still have change from a tenner.......

Yeah, not a bad call but all family are in SE and also I have spent winter there man, that is no joke. Some lovely parts of Yorkshire too, like Harrowgate. Tragically probably cheaper and easier to fly to Luton from Spain.

Cost of living in retirement is so much lower abroad mate, even compared to Yorkshire. Also fresh fish, veg and even fresh halal meat in Italy and Spain can be had, we can probably afford 5 bedroom villa with pool for what you would pay for a 3 bed semi in SE
 
You are right bro - you wont be accepted in the majority of these places but there are good areas - for example Wales - i go their frequently - place called Ammanford. Brilliant area and places to visit................

Mate retired at 50 in Wales, has 5 acres, massive lawn, horses for the kids and big cottage with 4 bedrooms. He was not that wealthy, just get more for your money, but we hardly see him now
 
You are right bro - you wont be accepted in the majority of these places but there are good areas - for example Wales - i go their frequently - place called Ammanford. Brilliant area and places to visit................

I love Cotswolds and Malvern
I like the English history quaintness and quiet life ..
I was always going to move when I finish work
But this nonsense of English flags and the media had me questioning my plans
As a non white person I have to be careful were I live too

Somebody mentioned abroad
I absolutely love the Italian lakes in the north my favourite holidays always ...would be awesome to wake up in those lakes and mountains every day far far away from the hatred here in UK

But some many things to consider
Including language unfortunately
 
Yeah, not a bad call but all family are in SE and also I have spent winter there man, that is no joke. Some lovely parts of Yorkshire too, like Harrowgate. Tragically probably cheaper and easier to fly to Luton from Spain.

Cost of living in retirement is so much lower abroad mate, even compared to Yorkshire. Also fresh fish, veg and even fresh halal meat in Italy and Spain can be had, we can probably afford 5 bedroom villa with pool for what you would pay for a 3 bed semi in SE
Harrogate - York and Holmfirth to name a few. After Brexit - thought about a move - Norway or Scotland were mentioned. Family ties and school kids etc gets awkward and the move was put on a back burner.
When we go to London and visit friends i always think the prices for what you get is hideously different.
Hope the divide between North and South may get closer next few years with Burnham
 
Harrogate - York and Holmfirth to name a few. After Brexit - thought about a move - Norway or Scotland were mentioned. Family ties and school kids etc gets awkward and the move was put on a back burner.
When we go to London and visit friends i always think the prices for what you get is hideously different.
Hope the divide between North and South may get closer next few years with Burnham

Yeah, I have a mate in Norway, married a Norwegian girl. Funnily enough there are quite a few Pakistanis in Oslo and Lillstrom.

Only thing is the winters there. The snow and lack of daylight hours gets depressing man. More i holiday in southern Europe more I am convinced to retire there. Also I like the Spanish and Italian attitudes to wards family and elders, importance of family time over work, attitude towards good eating and of course the weather. If my financial planning goes well and last few years in the job I get the bonuses I think i can then possibly look at a small flat somewhere just outside London like Uxbridge or Rickmansworth area and villa in Italy or Spain. That would be the dream.
I think if you have family up North and a decent pension then it is worth it, also depends on what you want out of retirement right? Some just want to play golf and spend time with family, others travelling etc
 
Oh do f**k off Paj. India right now would be falling over themselves to join Tempest fighter project and ask for "Phull technalagy transfaaar saaaar!"

The UK may have issues, but lets not kid ourselves, when it comes to tech, innovation and skills it is far far far ahead of India
Who's saying it's not? But the trajectory of the UK is not upward.. you BBC's are an odd bunch
 

Look at Keir Starmer’s tenure as prime minister. This is no ‘decent man’ who got unlucky​



From Gaza to the Peter Mandelson row, his abandoned pledges to the ‘island of strangers’ claim, Starmer’s time at No 10 was truly dismal


Good riddance, Keir Starmer. No sooner had the toppled prime minister wiped away his tears than the solemn guff began. The Labour leader is “principled” and “driven by a deep sense of public service and duty to this country”, said deputy prime minister David Lammy. He showed “the great dignity and integrity that is the mark of the man”, said energy secretary Ed Miliband. “A devoted and dedicated public servant” said home secretary Shabana Mahmood.

No. This was not a decent man defeated by circumstance, a man of duty and integrity who was simply in the wrong job, a principled leader undone by events. This was an unprincipled politician who abandoned promises with as much enthusiasm as he trousered freebies from rich donors.


Labour was “politically and morally bankrupt” when he took over, Starmer declared in his resignation speech. Yet here was a man who not only served in Jeremy Corbyn’s shadow cabinet, but declared himself “100% behind” him. When Starmer stood for leader, he praised his predecessor for bringing “radicalism” to Labour, declared we are not “going to trash the last four years”, repeatedly called Corbyn a “friend”, and denounced the “terrible” media attacks on him.


But Starmer was a frontman for a Labour-right operation whose purpose was clear: persuade a leftwing membership to hand the party back to those who despised everything it had just stood for. At the centre of that plot was Morgan McSweeney, career fixer for the Labour right, and his Labour Together thinktank. It was generously funded by the undeclared donations of wealthy donors, leading to an eventual fine from the Electoral Commission. When journalists investigated those donations, McSweeney’s successor, Josh Simons, commissioned a PR firm to smear them. Simons, of course, later became an MP, before surrendering his seat to make way for Andy Burnham.

To win over the membership, Starmer’s campaign promised tax hikes for the top 5%, public ownership of utilities, abolition of tuition fees, “an immigration system based on compassion and dignity”, human rights “at the heart of foreign policy”, and the abolition of the House of Lords. In power, Starmer has either failed to deliver on these promises or done the opposite.

Soon after being elected leader, Starmer suspended his predecessor from the party before finally expelling him in 2023, claiming that he and Corbyn had never been friends and distancing himself from his previous leadership pledges. This was deceit, not pragmatism. When he stood for leader, Starmer told the BBC that nationalisation of utilities was a pledge that would be in the next Labour manifesto. The following year, he denied ever saying this, and told the BBC: “I never made a commitment to nationalisation, I made a commitment to common ownership.”


The party would be a “broad church”, Starmer had promised. Instead, he suspended Labour MPs or prevented candidates from running for making comments critical of the state of Israel, and opposing the two-child benefit cap. His machine blocked leftwingers from standing, such as Faiza Shaheen and Lauren Townsend.

As for his claim that he took over a Labour party that was “morally bankrupt”, he was the human rights lawyer who said that Israel had a right to cut off power and water to Gaza. For nearly 20 weeks, as Israel reduced Gaza to rubble and killed tens of thousands of people while its leaders issued genocidal statements, Labour refused to back a ceasefire. Israel’s “right to self-defence” filled the void where Palestinians’ right to live should have been. As predominantly Muslim councillors resigned in disgust, one Labour official bragged that the party was “shaking off the fleas”. It took Labour six months to officially back a ceasefire.


Keir Starmer


Starmer was handed an election victory thanks to the total self-immolation of the Tories, yet triumphed on just a third of the vote, securing a landslide only because of Britain’s absurd electoral system. He soon proved that junking a political vision is easier than offering an alternative. Last year,when his government scrapped the universal winter fuel payment, Starmer calculated that the electorate would respect his willingness to make “tough choices”. Instead, voters were repulsed by an attack on pensioners, eventually forcing a partial U-turn. A Labour government then placed disability benefits in its sights, before mass opposition forced another partial retreat.

Competence was supposed to be Starmer’s one defining trait, but he always found scapegoats for his shambolic administration. Like Sue Gray, the former senior civil servant tasked with preparing for government, who suffered a barrage of negative briefings before being thrown under the bus, like so many others.

This “principled” leader once campaigned for free movement and reprimanded Labour for being “a bit scared of making the positive case for immigration”. As prime minister, he sounded like Enoch Powell, declaring immigration had done “incalculable damage” and risked turning Britain into an “island of strangers”, while building one of the harshest asylum systems in Europe. And that was not the only hostile environment built for a marginalised minority: ILGA-Europe’s Rainbow Index now rates Britain as having one of the worst records on trans rights in Europe, only narrowly above Russia.

His government broke promise after promise. Its housebuilding revolution failed to materialise. “No return to austerity” gave way to departmental squeezes. International aid was gutted. Meanwhile, Labour’s internal authoritarianism was exported to the country. Thousands were arrested for holding placards after anti-genocide direct action group Palestine Action were proscribed as terrorists on the same legal footing as Islamic State.

 

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