Royal Saudi Arabian Strategic Missile Force

[FuturePAF]

The one thing that Muslim countries should have ASAP is interoperability. Today, if Godforbid someone attack Turkey. Pakistan can not defend them. And vice versa. The way we all would want to. Because we are not trained to use any of their military equipment that they have.

The basic and common military equipments like assault rifles, tanks, fighter jets etc.... they should be common among Pakistan, Turkey, KSA, Qatar, Egypt, and Iran etc.

I agree, this is why Saudi, Pakistan, Qatar, and Egypt should adopt many Turkish and Pakistani systems in development. Sharing technology, training engineers, having multiple factories to make the same product, so war damage will put supporting equipment out of commission. A pool of efforts by these countries could help accelerate these projects and bring costs down.

 

[RealNapster]

I agree, this is why Saudi, Pakistan, Qatar, and Egypt should adopt many Turkish and Pakistani systems in development. Sharing technology, training engineers, having multiple factories to make the same product, so war damage will put supporting equipment out of commission. A pool of efforts by these countries could help accelerate these projects and bring costs down.

What turkish defence industries can do (for Pakistan and for its own survival) is to shift atleast 25% of their production capacities to Pakistan.

Why ?

Because if turkey have any conflict with israel or greece... these plants in turkey will be the first targets. So to ensure military equipment supplies to its forces incase of war. Turkey need backup production plants outside Turkey.

And in peace times, these plants in Pakistan will fulfill our needs and may even be used for export of Turkish military equipments to other countries...


I just realized we are off-topic. But still, that's what I hope for.

 

[Michael]

Most of KSA's underground bases (expanding as several OSINT users and satellites photos over the years have confirmed - with a lot of activity just within the past 1 year), ballistic missiles etc. have been constructed with Chinese help.

China has sold some ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia. Because Saudi Arabia lacks the complete operational, maintenance, and base construction capabilities, PLARF established a dedicated agency to handle related matters. This agency is part of the cooperation agreement between the two countries. Their main responsibilities include base construction and missile maintenance. ------ This is a standard "after-sales service" agreement and should not be over-interpreted.

Just an idea, Pakistan have been investing heavily in its conventional rocket and missile force with alot of newly introduced medium-long range missiles. As part of the Pak-KSA defence deal, can a future deployment of Pakistani missile force under Pakistan rocket force command be explored in KSA ? Like is it something that make sense and is under consideration ?

Many Pakistanis (including you) have many misunderstandings about ARFC.

 

[_Arabia_]

China has sold some ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia. Because Saudi Arabia lacks the complete operational, maintenance, and base construction capabilities, PLARF established a dedicated agency to handle related matters. This agency is part of the cooperation agreement between the two countries. Their main responsibilities include base construction and missile maintenance. ------ This is a standard "after-sales service" agreement and should not be over-interpreted.


Many Pakistanis (including you) have many misunderstandings about ARFC.

That was more than 40 years ago. The events you are referring to occurred in the 1980s.

I find it incredibly unlikely that local expertise wasn't developed long ago, whether we are talking about the missiles themselves or the facilities.

I also do not believe that there is any Chinese military presence in KSA. That ended ages ago.

I have not seen any confirmation to the contrary from OSINT accounts, declassified intelligence from major intelligence services, newspaper reports, local rumors etc.

 

[The SC]

China has sold some ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia. Because Saudi Arabia lacks the complete operational, maintenance, and base construction capabilities, PLARF established a dedicated agency to handle related matters. This agency is part of the cooperation agreement between the two countries. Their main responsibilities include base construction and missile maintenance. ------ This is a standard "after-sales service" agreement and should not be over-interpreted.

 

[Michael]

That was more than 40 years ago. The events you are referring to occurred in the 1980s.

I find it incredibly unlikely that local expertise wasn't developed long ago, whether we are talking about the missiles themselves or the facilities.

I also do not believe that there is any Chinese military presence in KSA. That ended ages ago.

I have not seen any confirmation to the contrary from OSINT accounts, declassified intelligence from major intelligence services, newspaper reports, local rumors etc.

In the 1980s, China sold DF-3 ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia. The agreement included not only the missiles but also services such as base construction, training, operation, maintenance, and operational advisory services.

The Second Artillery Corps (the predecessor of the PLARF), under the name "Golden Wheel Project Company," established military bases for Saudi Arabia and deployed troops there on rotation.

The above information is publicly available.

Logically, the "Golden Wheel Project Company" was a special, temporary organization established specifically for Saudi Arabia's ballistic missile program. It should have been disbanded after completing its mission.

However, in reality, this organization still exists. Although it is a highly classified organization, we can occasionally glean clues from news reports. It is directly led by a PLARF major general and reports directly to PLARF headquarters.

So, can you guess why this organization still exists?

 

[The SC]

In the 1980s, China sold DF-3 ballistic missiles to Saudi Arabia. The agreement included not only the missiles but also services such as base construction, training, operation, maintenance, and operational advisory services.

The Second Artillery Corps (the predecessor of the PLARF), under the name "Golden Wheel Project Company," established military bases for Saudi Arabia and deployed troops there on rotation.

The above information is publicly available.

Logically, the "Golden Wheel Project Company" was a special, temporary organization established specifically for Saudi Arabia's ballistic missile program. It should have been disbanded after completing its mission.

However, in reality, this organization still exists. Although it is a highly classified organization, we can occasionally glean clues from news reports. It is directly led by a PLARF major general and reports directly to PLARF headquarters.

So, can you guess why this organization still exists?

That only means one thing..it is that after all this time: bases construction, training, operation, maintenance, and operational advisory services are still going on ..now imagine the number of bases and the missiles in them..and not only that..now China is assisting KSA in manufacturing Its own missiles including test bases..