Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SecularNationalist]

Whatever the reason is, they're brave and not terrorists, they're RESISTANCE and we support them all in their fair fight against real terrorists.

US and Isreal are real terrorists. Infacts biggest terrorists in the history of mankind.

 

[tsunset]

The damage they've done to Iran is multiple times more than 300 billions, at least 5 trillions if we count the psychological damage to the Iranian people they terrorized and all the PTSDs

Iran should ask at least 5 trillions of reparations

And ask 500 billion per year deducted from Israeli welfare

 

[Winthorpe]

And what's gonna happen on July 20?

End of World Cup?

 

[BHAN85]

Khamenei funeral is in few days, Iran must be increasing surveillance over terrorist groups

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

And what's gonna happen on July 20?

World Cup will be over. Some of ya's have been speculating that President Trump is going to wait until after the Cup before resuming hostilities on Iran.

 

[Shags101]

World Cup will be over. Some of ya's have been speculating that President Trump is going to wait until after the Cup before resuming hostilities on Iran.

If he actually does and in full force not this tit for tat attacks it will be after midterms if republicans lose he will have nothing to lose if republicans win he will have nothing to lose he has 2 plus years to keep blaming the economy domestic and international issues on sleepy joe,Barack Hussein and I forgot Hillary’s nickname but he can blame her as well

 

[BigMela2onin]

Kuwait despite its size has been the fulcrum of western power projection in the region since the British empire. It did not run out of interceptors because the US did not run out of interceptors. By all accounts the latter seemed very close by the time the MOU was signed.

You're correct that there is no distinction yet the outcome is the same: Iran failed to drain the interceptor stockpiles of its enemies during the war.

Re. PMF, the USAF has not proven effective against guerilla forces historically, see Vietnam, Afghanistan, Yemen. PMF have a direct land line to Iran which makes them even more resilient and potent. However, here are complicating factors like Muqtada for example. None of this will be easy. The path to becoming a superpower usually is not easy. That is expected. Let's remember the KC-135s that were targeted over Iraq presumably by the PMF. Or the Kuwaiti F16 pilot shooting down the USAF F15s.

This is not like fighting ISIS, you are suggesting Iraqis start an insurgency that won't benefit themselves on Iran's behalf. What happens when al-Sistani issues a fatwa against fighting the Iraqi government? Why would the average Iraqi want this to happen to their own country? What would the average person have to look forward to under Iranian control? People won't go against their own economic benefit, it's why sanctions are effective in the first place.

The Houthis became steadily more powerful under USAF and SA aerial bombings. That's why attiring Iran to the point of eliminating their control over the Hormuz doesn't seem realistic. Geography heavily favors Iran and all they need to do is keep firing drones at tankers.

The Houthis did nothing this war other than make threats and fire off less than a handful of drone at Eilat. So either they decided they don't want to join or they didn't have the means to.
Geography is fine but material losses have to be replaced. Missile precursors have to physically arrive from China to replace losses. There remains no answer to a USN blockade.

As far as Arab tendencies, this has been the case since the Babylonian semites. But Iranians managed to control it in the past. A shared religion maybe a catalyst this time.

There is a reason Iran began invoking nationalism once the war began, religious unity has hit its limit at the Iranian border. Iranian control of Iraqi clerics is limited at the end of the day.

US will not run out of oil, but will lose influence to Iran once all or some Asian countries come begging to Iran to get their fuel, "cooking gas" and fertilizer.

The US already has an answer to this, physically interdicting tankers and sanctions. Which Asian navy will escort tankers against a USN blockade? I doubt even China would, certainly not Japan or SK. They will simply give those nations the option to buy from the US at inflated prices and China will buy from Russia, unless Ukraine keeps blowing up all their refineries.

We don't know much about Khamenei Jr. at all. It is yet to be seen if he will consolidate power. A lot hinges on the quality of leadership at times like this. Can he, will he reign in the reformists? We shall see.

His only qualification is his last name, and God help Iran if he's anything like his father was. We don't need 30 years of another indecisive coward whose main concern is the hijab.

Ultimately, without a way to break a naval blockade, Iran is stuck.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

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[BigMela2onin]

Some above had posted that the US Navy can just sit in northern Arabian Sea 'forever'. No, that can't be sustained 'forever'. It is one thing for a land army to be deployed for a long period in a hostile posture but not for a navy. India had deployed a large number of troops at the border with Pakistan in a hostile posture in 2001/2002 and they stayed there for a long time because they could afford to.
I am sure there are many here who understand the limitations of a navy for long blockade. Heck, even for US Airforce is bringing back some of its jets stationed in Israel.

Rotations exist, the US already showed its willing to draw down its presence elsewhere if needed.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran is militarily the weaker state. There, I said it. Is that a surprise to you? Do you think Iran is a superpower ??

That is reality that you don't seem to understand or accept. Iran cannot pre-empt the USA and in doing so, achieve any military objectives that would stop an attack because Iran's systems lack the precision for that to be done effectively, so why pre-empt ?? What will be achieved ?? Explain what you think a pre-emptive strike will militarily achieve, since you are soo keen on it ?

The USA is a super power with deep deep military resources, Iran is not. What Iran's strategy has to be, is survive the strikes and preserve as much as possible, stretch out the war and uncertainty for as long as possible to cause the maximum economic damage globally, which it is doing successfully. Global economic damage causes political pressure from the USA's allies on the USA itself to stop the war. The world strategic oil reserves have only enough stock for 4weeks left, and it will take months to refill them. That is why the USA wants this done with quickly.

I don't understand why you do not understand the tactical and strategic military situation and what Iran's capabilities are and therefore what it's choices.

Iran has played this perfectly so far, perfectly.

Sadly, If you think Iran has played this perfectly so far, you're a joke. The rest of your comment was worthless blah blah blah and trivial.

 

[ShapurII]

World Cup will be over. Some of ya's have been speculating that President Trump is going to wait until after the Cup before resuming hostilities on Iran.

World cup isn't the main issue. Filling strategic oil reserves is.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

World cup isn't the main issue. Filling strategic oil reserves is.

Bingo!

A man who gets it.

 

[Winthorpe]

If he actually does and in full force not this tit for tat attacks it will be after midterms if republicans lose he will have nothing to lose if republicans win he will have nothing to lose he has 2 plus years to keep blaming the economy domestic and international issues on sleepy joe,Barack Hussein and I forgot Hillary’s nickname but he can blame her as well

Plus the weather will be more hospitable for a ground operation

 

[hussain0216]

Iran is militarily the weaker state. There, I said it. Is that a surprise to you? Do you think Iran is a superpower ??

That is reality that you don't seem to understand or accept. Iran cannot pre-empt the USA and in doing so, achieve any military objectives that would stop an attack because Iran's systems lack the precision for that to be done effectively, so why pre-empt ?? What will be achieved ?? Explain what you think a pre-emptive strike will militarily achieve, since you are soo keen on it ?

The USA is a super power with deep deep military resources, Iran is not. What Iran's strategy has to be, is survive the strikes and preserve as much as possible, stretch out the war and uncertainty for as long as possible to cause the maximum economic damage globally, which it is doing successfully. Global economic damage causes political pressure from the USA's allies on the USA itself to stop the war. The world strategic oil reserves have only enough stock for 4weeks left, and it will take months to refill them. That is why the USA wants this done with quickly.

I don't understand why you do not understand the tactical and strategic military situation and what Iran's capabilities are and therefore what it's choices.

Iran has played this perfectly so far, perfectly.

I'm not sure some of these guys understand what victory for Iran looks like

They are thinking of some old school, definitive victory

The Zionists objective was to bring down Iran
They have failed, if anything clearing out khameni and some others made a tricky post khameni transition straight forward

Iran's ballistic missiles and drones are fully operational

And the conflict hasn't been good for U.S bases, U.S lackeys In The region


The U.S has MAJOR economic issues, and the closure of the Hormuz is a massive weapon against them currently as well as against some of the lackeys

And Iran can close it at will, this gives Iran a strong hand to demand removal of sanctions and ensure Iran can operate as a normal state post conflict



The war isn't over, but Iran has space to rebuild and a way to pressure the U.S


The planning that happens next is important

Arab weakness and stupidity has been a body blow to the region

 

[hussain0216]

Israel has nothing to worry about. This is just another attempt at an alliance, a security architecture, a pact, a Muslim NATO, or whatever the flavor of the month is.

That Turkiye is involved is all you need to know. The only thing they do about Israel is bark but never bite. I don't expect it to go anywhere.

A powerful alliance is a matter of time