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It may be a controversial take, but I'd rather see the PAF focus on consolidating and completing its ongoing modernization programs than rushing to induct another highly sophisticated platform.

The J-10C fleet is still well below the numbers required for meaningful operational impact. The JF-17 program and PFX are both progressing, while the domestic weapons ecosystem and industrial base are still evolving. More importantly, the manufacturing infrastructure and technology assimilation process are far from complete.

On top of that, the J-35A has only recently entered service with the PLAAF and PLAN. Like any new fighter, it will need time to mature operationally, receive upgrades, and prove its long-term reliability before it becomes an ideal export candidate.

My priorities for the PAF would be:

1. Expand the J-10C fleet to operationally meaningful numbers.
Aim for roughly 100 aircraft (around five squadrons). The PAF still has several squadrons flying aging Mirages, F-7s, and older F-16A/B MLU variants that will need replacement over the coming years. These aircraft are approaching the end of their useful service lives and should be replaced with modern platforms.

2. Localize the WS-13 engine.
Work with China to assimilate the WS-13 turbofan and secure the long-term future of the JF-17 program. I recently saw photos of PAF personnel working on an aircraft engine, and I hope it relates either to the WS-13 with Chinese cooperation or an upgraded RD-93 variant.

3. Upgrade the JF-17B fleet.
Bring the twin-seat JF-17Bs up to Block III or a future PFX-compatible standard so they can serve as advanced 4.5-generation fighter trainers instead of procuring platforms like the L-15.

4. Explore industrial cooperation with Türkiye.
Evaluate whether the HÜRJET, powered by a future WS-13 or RD-93MA-class engine, could be assembled or manufactured in Pakistan as a long-term replacement for the K-8 trainer fleet.

5. Strengthen ground-based air defence.
Continue investing in SHORAD systems and robust counter-drone capabilities. Recent conflicts have demonstrated that layered air defence and anti-UAV systems are becoming just as critical as acquiring new fighter aircraft.

For now, I'd prioritize investing in domestic industrial capability, logistics, engine technology, and weapons integration. Give the J-35 time to mature, allow its costs to stabilize, and let operational lessons from Chinese service shape the export version before making a procurement decision.


100 J-10C is just non-practical. Its not going to happen. JF-17 started producing 2 decades ago. PAF initially had aimed for 250 fighter jets to replace all old legacy fighters. But we could procure around 150 so far with the resources that we had. Still there's a squadron or two of F-7PGs in service. JF-17 is even co-produced, it rolls out locally in Kamra and costs even less. Lots of billions of dollars needed for number of J-10Cs you mentioned. We got lot of areas where money needs to go including a big share would go towards ARFC, then army aviation is been neglected for long, then naval helicopters needs to come etc. Just do the math. No budget for that many J-10Cs. I honestly expect one more squadron of J-10C. I don't see J-10C going any further than 40 in PAF fleet. Our legacy aircrafts won't be replaced one to one. Fighter jet numbers around the world airforces have reduced over past few decades dramatically due to number of factors. Fighter jet costs on average have gone up drastically because of extreme complexity and Advanced Avionics. Secondly, Unmanned systems takes lot of resources too and they are now part of airforces. They take a lot of resources and man-power, training and pilots, crew for maintenance etc. So in many cases its possible that old mirage could be just replaced by a MALE drone that's too capable of launching stand off missile into enemy territory. So point is there will never be one to one replacement for legacy aircraft with a 4.5 gen aircraft. It just can't happen.

Also there's no chance that chinese engine to be used in turkish aircrafts. There's geopolitics involved here, there's some history bw two countries and there are actually lot of factors why it can't happen, market competition isn't even among them. Turkey is NATO after all.
 
2. Localize the WS-13 engine.
Work with China to assimilate the WS-13 turbofan
It takes so many time and money for China to do this ! Only 5 country in the world mastered these engine technology. Don't imagine they will help you or made a present !

Keeping the engine technology, ie sensitive spare parts, is the same kind of tie than USA with your F16 fleet : they keep a control over you. Not unusual after all.
 
Indians and surprise attack?

The amount of overwhelming force you need to take out major Pakistani airbases and assets will require pretty much all of their IAF assets and ground assets......it is not possible to hide that much movement/planning. There will be always signs here and there. The new EO satellites for Pakistan ensure that they will be able to catch. I am sure Chinese are monitoring these chuts 24/7 anyway because you really won't be able to tell if they are going to attack Pakistan or make the move against Chinese.

Modi and his cahoots are a failed nation. They have been blasted left and right on the international front. Only the begging French can give them protocol because they need to fleece 40 billion euros out of the shit eating Indians. Rubio blasted them to kingdom them and US navy didn't give two shits about killing Mofo Indians. While Pakistan got the US and Iran sign the peace deal.

So yea, these are absolute loser mad men with nothing to show. So whenever they will do something stupid, i can guarantee it will be with some noise and that's where your tactics and planning with J-35s comes in. All must be up in the air immediately and take out pre-determined targets without haste.
The way the Taliban are probing our air defense with their so-called "rudimentary drones" these shitty indians will launch attacks from Afghanistan. We have apparently learned nothing from the past attacks on Mehran and Kamra bases. While the PAF has never underestimated India, they seem to be underestimating the threat from Afghanistan. May God keep us safe, but our hesitant behavior is an invitation for disaster
 
Afghans now have L39s guarding their skies. Time for the PAF to behave and be scared.
No, they don't.

They have models of L39s sitting pretty in bunkers, nothing more.

The footage they showed of it flying? Literally video game footage.

Afghanistan does not have any ability to restore even a basic turboprop trainer, they simply do not have the spare parts.
 
Afghans now have L39s guarding their skies. Time for the PAF to behave and be scared.

All the helicopters that we see them using for transporting TTP and all. And these L39 variants too that they have.

These should have been the first target. It should be atleast the next target. So that these TTP leadership and foot soldiers are forced to use land routes and can be targeted.
 
100 J-10C is just non-practical. Its not going to happen. JF-17 started producing 2 decades ago. PAF initially had aimed for 250 fighter jets to replace all old legacy fighters. But we could procure around 150 so far with the resources that we had. Still there's a squadron or two of F-7PGs in service. JF-17 is even co-produced, it rolls out locally in Kamra and costs even less. Lots of billions of dollars needed for number of J-10Cs you mentioned. We got lot of areas where money needs to go including a big share would go towards ARFC, then army aviation is been neglected for long, then naval helicopters needs to come etc. Just do the math. No budget for that many J-10Cs. I honestly expect one more squadron of J-10C. I don't see J-10C going any further than 40 in PAF fleet. Our legacy aircrafts won't be replaced one to one. Fighter jet numbers around the world airforces have reduced over past few decades dramatically due to number of factors. Fighter jet costs on average have gone up drastically because of extreme complexity and Advanced Avionics. Secondly, Unmanned systems takes lot of resources too and they are now part of airforces. They take a lot of resources and man-power, training and pilots, crew for maintenance etc. So in many cases its possible that old mirage could be just replaced by a MALE drone that's too capable of launching stand off missile into enemy territory. So point is there will never be one to one replacement for legacy aircraft with a 4.5 gen aircraft. It just can't happen.

Also there's no chance that chinese engine to be used in turkish aircrafts. There's geopolitics involved here, there's some history bw two countries and there are actually lot of factors why it can't happen, market competition isn't even among them. Turkey is NATO after all.
The Pakistani elite steal way more than 100 J-10C worth from the Pakistani national treasure and natural resources, not to mention all that money lost due to mismanagement.

You got common thieves running public offices, of course there will be issue with money because these Haramkhores only know how to steal and rob.

For a country like Pakistan, 100 J-10C should be no issue. But again you have common thieves and shop lifters as your leaders.
 
100 J-10C is just non-practical. Its not going to happen. JF-17 started producing 2 decades ago. PAF initially had aimed for 250 fighter jets to replace all old legacy fighters. But we could procure around 150 so far with the resources that we had. Still there's a squadron or two of F-7PGs in service. JF-17 is even co-produced, it rolls out locally in Kamra and costs even less. Lots of billions of dollars needed for number of J-10Cs you mentioned. We got lot of areas where money needs to go including a big share would go towards ARFC, then army aviation is been neglected for long, then naval helicopters needs to come etc. Just do the math. No budget for that many J-10Cs. I honestly expect one more squadron of J-10C. I don't see J-10C going any further than 40 in PAF fleet. Our legacy aircrafts won't be replaced one to one. Fighter jet numbers around the world airforces have reduced over past few decades dramatically due to number of factors. Fighter jet costs on average have gone up drastically because of extreme complexity and Advanced Avionics. Secondly, Unmanned systems takes lot of resources too and they are now part of airforces. They take a lot of resources and man-power, training and pilots, crew for maintenance etc. So in many cases its possible that old mirage could be just replaced by a MALE drone that's too capable of launching stand off missile into enemy territory. So point is there will never be one to one replacement for legacy aircraft with a 4.5 gen aircraft. It just can't happen.

Also there's no chance that chinese engine to be used in turkish aircrafts. There's geopolitics involved here, there's some history bw two countries and there are actually lot of factors why it can't happen, market competition isn't even among them. Turkey is NATO after all.
Pakistan will eventually have a hight thrust jet engine of its own, you just wait.

It is not lost on anyone, having to rely on Russian jet engines acquired via China was not a thrilling experience. But it worked out so far. The WS series engines will replace the Russian ones and eventually down the road Pakistan will be building its own high thrust engines. For now an off the shelf solution through a reliable friend line China exists for Pakistan so it is not an emergency.

It is only a matter of time.
 
If Iran-Pakistan oil and (gas) pipeline happens then......it will substantially boost costs savings and and add annual transit fees to North and east......and the Pak Saudi Defense pact.....The nuclear umbrella is not for free.

The trick here is to use this recent pivot and leverage it go beyond subsistence existence! Think out of box and there are endless possibilities.

But out of the above, the Pak Saudi Defense pact is reality and the Nuclear umbrella too and definitely does not come without a cost and my bet is that here lies the source of funding for many a projects of high national importance. At least, one JFT squadron will be added at home in place of the one seconded to KSA.
The greatest strategic advantage of the MDP for Pakistan is that it enables the country to expand its effective military capacity without proportionally increasing the financial burden of acquiring, maintaining, and sustaining those assets at home.

At present, there are around 18 JF-17s stationed in Saudi Arabia. Over time, that number could potentially increase to 30–40 PAF aircraft. Beyond combat aviation, the partnership could eventually encompass integrated air defense systems, AEW&C aircraft, MLRS, armored formations, and other high-value military capabilities.

In practical terms, this allows Pakistan to increase its available military capital while sharing the costs of procurement, maintenance, infrastructure, and training with a strategic partner. This is particularly valuable for a country facing persistent fiscal constraints, as it improves force availability without requiring a proportional increase in the domestic defense budget.

Another important benefit is strategic depth. By dispersing a portion of its military assets overseas, Pakistan reduces the concentration of critical capabilities within its own territory. In the event of a prolonged conflict with India, if domestically based assets become overstretched, some overseas-deployed platforms could, in principle, be redeployed to reinforce operational requirements. Naturally, this would depend on the political circumstances at the time and the provisions of any bilateral defense agreement. Nevertheless, maintaining part of the force outside Pakistan provides additional strategic flexibility that would otherwise not exist.

The next logical step is to expand this cooperation beyond operational deployments and into defense industrial integration. Pakistan should encourage organizations such as HIT, PAC, KSEW, GIDS, and other defense manufacturers to establish production, maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) facilities in Saudi Arabia. This would create geographically distributed production capacity that enhances supply-chain resilience and wartime sustainability for both countries.

Reciprocally, Saudi Arabia should be encouraged to invest in strategic petroleum reserves, downstream industries, and selected defense manufacturing facilities in Pakistan. Such cross-investments would strengthen the resilience of both economies and defense sectors against regional instability, supply-chain disruptions, or potential blockades.

Pakistan should also avoid viewing the partnership solely through the lens of attracting Saudi investment into existing Pakistani products. A more ambitious approach would be to pursue genuine joint ventures, combining Pakistan's defense engineering expertise with Saudi companies' significantly greater access to global capital, advanced technologies, research institutions, and international supply chains. This model would accelerate technology transfer, improve manufacturing capabilities, and create products that are competitive in third-country markets.

As this ecosystem matures, the relationship would evolve beyond a traditional buyer-seller arrangement into a deeply integrated strategic-industrial partnership. Such interdependence would not only strengthen the defense capabilities of both countries but would also make Pakistan a more attractive destination for investment from other Gulf states and international defense companies seeking to participate in a resilient regional industrial base.
 
It takes so many time and money for China to do this ! Only 5 country in the world mastered these engine technology. Don't imagine they will help you or made a present !

Keeping the engine technology, ie sensitive spare parts, is the same kind of tie than USA with your F16 fleet : they keep a control over you. Not unusual after all.
If Pakistan wanted to build aircraft engines, it would build them like it built the atom bomb.

Aircraft engines is not considered some critical tech that Pakistan must have for it's own survival. It's availability is out there. It's just economics.

Luckily, Pakistan has never been in a situation where it has had half of squadron of fighter aircraft without engines in them.

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.... While the PAF has never underestimated India, they seem to be underestimating the threat from Afghanistan. May God keep us safe, but our hesitant behavior is an invitation for disaster
Please elaborate?

The airstrikes on another country are authorised by the Government of Pakistan.
 
The Great Pakistani Predictors
UPDATED: 03/07/2026

Asset
Predictor
Arrival Date
Predicted
Outcome
J-35flyingorca6 September 202518 August 2025Got it Wrong
J-35Zarvan31 December 202517 August 2025Got it Wrong
J-35Zarvan31 March 202617 August 2025Wrong again
J-35Yasser7623 May 202614 January 2026Got it wrong
J-35Zarvan30 June 202617 August 2025Mamu lied
J-35MastanKhan31 July 202608 July 2024TBC
J-35flyingorca31 July 202601 May 2026TBC
J-35AeronautIR14 August 202601 August 2025TBC
J-35Aziqbal14 August 202627 April 2026TBC
J-35Ali_Baba14 August 202609 May 2026TBC
J-35Jinn Baba14 August 202609 May 2026TBC
J-35hyperman31 August 202601 May 2026TBC
J-35hasssanali899807 November 202615 August 2026TBC
J-35maverick31 December 2026?? January 2024TBC
J-35studsmart31 December 202614 January 2026TBC
J-35NA7131 December 202615 January 2026TBC
J-35RocketLaw31 December 202616 January 2026TBC
J-35TopGun78631 December 202616 January 2026TBC
J-35Starlord23 March 202727 April 2026TBC
J-35Salza23 March 202702 May 2026TBC
J-35NA7131 March 202707 May 2026TBC
J-35NGAD IS THE BEST31 March 202716 May 2026TBC
J-35Pakistanithinktank31 December 202715 January 2026TBC
J-35That_Guy31 December 202728 April 2026TBC
J-35Tariq Habibi Afridi14 August 202816 January 2026TBC
J-35falcon3420 August 202814 January 2026TBC
J-35lightening f5730 August 202814 January 2026TBC
J-35hasssanali899807 August 202815 January 2026TBC
J-35SiliconBit (silicon0000)31 December 202808 July 2024TBC
J-35Pakistanithinktank31 December 202815 January 2026TBC
J-35Olympus8131 December 202827 April 2026TBC
J-35MH.Yang31 December 202816 May 2026TBC
J-35NGAD IS THE BEST31 December 202816 May 2026TBC
J-35Corax01 February 202928 April 2026TBC
J-35_NOBODY_23 March 202928 April 2026TBC
J-35kimjongun01 January 203027 April 2026TBC
J-35Princeps05 March 203014 January 2025TBC
J-35Pak AI31 March 203016 May 2026TBC
J-35SiliconBit (silicon0000)31 December 203008 July 2024TBC
J-35TF814 August 203115 May 2026TBC
J-35Ibbi3230 September 203127 April 2026TBC
J-35maxpane31 January 203514 January 2026TBC
J-35m52k8531 December 203509 May 2026TBC

Anyone else wants to join this list, let me know.

This is just for fun.
 
If Pakistan wanted to build aircraft engines, it would build them like it built the atom bomb.

Aircraft engines is not considered some critical tech that Pakistan must have for it's own survival. It's availability is out there. It's just economics.

Luckily, Pakistan has never been in a situation where it has had half of squadron of fighter aircraft without engines in them.

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Best wishes from no engine Tejas.
 
If Pakistan wanted to build aircraft engines, it would build them like it built the atom bomb.

Aircraft engines is not considered some critical tech that Pakistan must have for it's own survival. It's availability is out there. It's just economics.

Luckily, Pakistan has never been in a situation where it has had half of squadron of fighter aircraft without engines in them.

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Credit where its due, lining up tejas like this without engine must have taken some effort.
 

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