Our India headache - and how to cure it

Truly. Our Indian guests on this very forum still laugh openly at the suggestion that Indian muslims do not live freely in their own land because of hindutva. But the evidence is in plain sight, which is why their laughter is a cover for their begrudging acknowledgement of reality - psychologists call this incongruent affect.

Always thank Jinnah, Iqbal et al for crossing the ideological Rubicon many decades ago.

What gives me much hope is many of the Indians we encounter here seem to be their "elite" or they claim to be. Many of them lack imagination and/or are very ignorant. So yes, 1.4 Billion of them have made a relatively good economy, yet one cannot help but think if (big if I know), Pak gets it's house in order, we can leave India in our rear view mirror.

Already it seems that geopoltically Pakistan is becoming more and more a part of the Middle East and less a part of South Asia.

Maybe that is where our long term future is?
 
Truth be told, I am not a fan of Indians in general - regardless of religion. And Pakistan should absolutely not build its identity as being the thekedar of every Muslim. There is no respect in that living in others' shadows. It should have its own distinct nationalist identity.

However Indian crimes against Muslims should be called out on huminatiarian and strategic grounds.
 
What gives me much hope is many of the Indians we encounter here seem to be their "elite" or they claim to be. Many of them lack imagination and/or are very ignorant.
Agree. They have become dumbed down by the persistent unifaceted hindutva narrative of the last 3 decades that they have been exposed to - understandable. This has left them predictable as a species. Predictability is their current weakness.

We know where every little ululation they make is headed and with the right strategy, we can turn their utterances and schemes to our advantage.
 
Right.
No country on Earth has hurt Pakistan more than Afghanistan but you don't see Pakistanis wanting to stop food and water to Afghanistan or wanting to grab Afghan territory (forum posts aside). Some harsh measures have been taken with trade and security measures on Afghanistan recently but even then the Pakistanis just wish to be left alone and wish the Afghans well.

Indian officials, on the other hand, have made very harsh and immoral statements about Pakistan from the topmost levels. Not long ago, India's Defense Minister was hinting toward taking the province of Sindh from Pakistan. Sindh is not even in any dispute. Then there was India's NSA Ajit Duval mentioning India's desire for terrorism in Baluchistan.

Do we not see the shades of Israel-speak in today's India?

I think much of this can be attriubuted to Islamic values of humanitrianism and honour in battle. Hindus lack this
 
Yeah, they have numbers but the quality of their discorse (as we often see on this forum) drives neutrals to Pak's point of view.....
In the aftermath I recall any foreign talking head who would appear on Indian TV would invariably be asked for validation on op sindy, even guys like John Bolton said well first of all you need to establish your case and the facts.
 
In the aftermath I recall any foreign talking head who would appear on Indian TV would invariably be asked for validation on op sindy, even guys like John Bolton said well first of all you need to establish your case and the facts.

Not just that, look at their behaviour of social media. One Aussie cricketer called out India on X and had threats of rape against his 6 year old girl.

Now what do you think Aussies conclude when they see all this?
 
yet one cannot help but think if (big if I know), Pak gets it's house in order, we can leave India in our rear view mirror.
Pakistan was ahead of India into the 80s; even a Pakistan hater like India's Shaker Gupta said that his 'banchey khul gayi' (eyes excitedly opened) when he went to Pakistan in the 80s. Then the virus of fake democracy starting late 80s struck Pakistan.

Already it seems that geopoltically Pakistan is becoming more and more a part of the Middle East and less a part of South Asia.
Maybe that is where our long term future is?

The global easier supply of money lies in Europe, the Middle East and the Anglosphere. Not in overpopulated South and Southeast Asia. People have voted with their feet.
 
Pakistan was ahead of India into the 80s; even a Pakistan hater like India's Shaker Gupta said that his 'banchey khul gayi' (eyes excitedly opened) when he went to Pakistan in the 80s. Then the virus of fake democracy starting late 80s struck Pakistan.



The global easier supply of money lies in Europe, the Middle East and the Anglosphere. Not in overpopulated South and Southeast Asia. People have voted with their feet.


No reason at all Iran cannot totally eclipse UAE 20 years from now and become an economic power. This represents massive opportunities for Pak in terms of employment of our labour, energy imports and connectivity. Massive opportunity here, which of course makes Modi's absence from Kohmeani's funeral even more absurd.
 
Not just that, look at their behaviour of social media. One Aussie cricketer called out India on X and had threats of rape against his 6 year old girl.

Now what do you think Aussies conclude when they see all this?
Indeed, the Elon musk x era seems to have given way to allow counter propaganda, so whilst propaganda bubbles can seem ridiculous from one side,remember they are just bubbles and there are plenty of opposing propaganda areas, you can see the shock within the Indian media when they question Rubio and trump on why this even exists, because they know it's not from Pakistan only, so where is it coming from?
 
Fahd Husain July 05, 2026
India is in pain.

The last one year has been rather unkind to a country that had convinced itself of its super powers. The reality check, when it came, was harsh. Which is why the members of the Hindutva brigade remain in in denial even as their make-belief world collapses around them.

Should this matter to us in Pakistan?

Yes. But not in the conventional way. The fact is that both Pakistan and India are undergoing significant political, social and diplomatic changes. Navigating these changes requires absolute clarity shorn of ideological baggage and political hubris. India under the present Hindutva regime is unlikely to pivot to a realistic assessment of the situation. Which is why, we must.

This past week two developments pointed towards such a need. First, speculation swirled around Track 2 meetings between retired officials from both countries on foreign shores. A few days later, well-meaning prominent citizens from Pakistan and India jointly signed a petition calling for improved bilateral ties. Taken together, these developments suggested a desire to break the ice between Islamabad and New Delhi.

We should not walk down this path.

Instead, Pakistan should aim to institutionalise a well-considered and calibrated policy that acknowledges that India is a mere headache – and we need to find a cure as soon as possible. To do this, we should factor in three aspects of Hindutva India.

First, majoritarian India's obsession with Pakistan will only grow stronger as it slides further into officially sanctioned societal bigotry. The Hindutva project is fuelled by anti-Muslim hate and BJP's political ideology manifests this hate on to Pakistan. There is no cure in sight for this. This Hindutva bonfire will have to burn itself out over a generation or two. Or maybe not.

Second, this hate-machine will keep rational and reasonable Indians marginalised in political discourse and public debates that shape and influence domestic perceptions. There are little prospects of an attitudinal change in India.

Third, India's misperceived bluster and inflated sense of self can, and probably will, lead to another military conflict with Pakistan. We should make the next round a decisive one.

Once factored into coherent and clear-eyed policy, these three elements help decipher our way forward.


This starts with an unambiguous position that we are not interested in any kinds of talks with India. There are many people at home who take umbrage to such a position. They argue that we should appear 'reasonable' and maintain a 'peace posture' even if just for public consumption. I disagree. We have nothing to gain from talking with India as long as our neighbour continues to burn in Hindutva fever. In fact, it is better that we move away from this 'engagement' that is fashionable among some constituencies. I would go a step further and say we should politely (but firmly) say no to talks even if India wants to. This clarity will help us strategise our pivot away from our traditional focus on India.

But there are always exceptions.

None more so than Indian Occupied Kashmir. There should be zero flexibility in our position – even if it means reinforcing our diplomatic offensive at every international platform.

The other exception to our disengagement with India is its sponsoring of terrorism via Afghanistan. One of the weaknesses of our India policy is that we've remained weak in countering terrorism. In our new approach, we must tell India and our international partners that Indian sponsoring of terrorism inside Pakistan will entail a cost for India. The world has moved beyond diplomatic niceties in pursuit of national objectives. So should we.

We have India where we want it – against the ropes, angry at the world, bitter as a nation, diplomatically irrelevant, militarily humiliated, and internally fractured by brute majoritarianism. A nation of more than a billion people is in a state of collective sulk. If this wasn't enough, its policy blunders and misplaced hubris has today made it, arguably, the second most disliked country in the world (no prizes for guessing who's the first).

Best then to be amused by the faux bravado of people like foreign minister Jaishankar and buffoonery of clowns in Indian TV studios.

Here's the thing, though. Our India headache won't go away on its own. Their obsession with Pakistan is unlikely to evaporate with time. The odds of the Hindutva government blundering into another kinetic misadventure are, unfortunately, quite high. It is in this domain that we need the most clarity. The real cure for our headache will be found right here.

Three points are noteworthy:

First, we now know that the space beneath the nuclear overhang is where our strength lies. The Maarka-e-Haq victory in May 2025 showed us the strengths that need to be amplified, and the weaknesses that require immediate redressal. Time is right for Pakistan to develop a conventional conflict doctrine that builds upon the demonstrated lessons of our victory.

Second, we need to jettison our defensive military posture and fully embrace the concept of 'offensive defence'. Recent global events have proven with remarkable clarity that the logic of pre-emptive strikes has been thoroughly internalised across the world. For too long Pakistan has allowed India to initiate aggression across the Line of Control and the international border. Time is upon us to reverse this. We should be absolutely clear if we sense an imminent attack from India, we must adopt offence as the best form of defence. Clarity on this count will not only generate military strategy but also shape a powerful narrative that we need to communicate across the world.

The next round should be the defining round. We must prepare for the scenario and plan the exact outcomes we want with our conventional might. Not till India is inflicted intolerable pain will it stop being a headache for Pakistan.

The Indus Water Treaty provocations provide us a test case.
India has already announced a project that will steal our Chenab water and divert it to the Beas River. Pakistan has correctly stated that any disruption in our water supply will be considered an act of war. We need to now flesh out this declaration through a well-articulated narrative that explains and justifies the kinetic action we will take if India does not desist from such provocations.

Nothing guarantees peace better than clarity, boldness and strength.
Finally - theyre making sense. I have a simple military tactic - get Gazap warheads from Turkey and use them across population centers in their economic zones. Find the cities with the highest production and depopulate them.
 
Indeed, the Elon musk x era seems to have given way to allow counter propaganda, so whilst propaganda bubbles can seem ridiculous from one side,remember they are just bubbles and there are plenty of opposing propaganda areas, you can see the shock within the Indian media when they question Rubio and trump on why this even exists, because they know it's not from Pakistan only, so where is it coming from?

Agreed, they may literally and figuratively be their own worst enemies....
 
I didn't know where to post this but this could be right thread. Startling to see this Indian Muslim openly regretting that 38% of Indian Muslims didn't support Mr. Jinnah during the Partition. Now regrets setting in. From what I have understood, the vast majority of Indian Muslims are silent supporters of Pakistan. Arfa Sherwani is among them but she has to be careful and occasionally even bash Pakistan--otherwise!
Anyway, never stop thanking God and Jinnah for Pakistan!

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I hate this p3jeetni b*t*ch. just hearing her speak that pig Latin Urdu Hindi gibberish makes me want to throw up
 
It is what comes with abeyance. If you can live with that, there won't be a major furore that too after 1 year of abeyance. The sudden rise in this interest of IWT simply because of lack in data. But address the issues plaguing India and Pakistan, we have a set of demands to restore IWT you fulfill them you get your data.

As for nuclear war, it's pointless to talk about it, yeah nuclear war we all die. End of story.

Its about tunnel project India have planned to steal Pakistan water. Don't go there and everything will be fine. Indians eat Pakistani salt and also want to starve its people, this namak harami will not be allowed.
 
Truly. Our Indian guests on this very forum still laugh openly at the suggestion that Indian muslims do not live freely in their own land because of hindutva. But the evidence is in plain sight, which is why their laughter is a cover for their begrudging acknowledgement of reality - psychologists call this incongruent affect.

And there are a few Pakistanis I personally know who think the Partition was wrong and that there should have been only one country. Such ignorant fools, despite enjoying all the benefits of being Pakistani citizens, make my blood boil with rage!! Not only are they ignorant of the precarious life of the Indian Muslims since Modi 2014 but they also devalue what Pakistan has given them.

One of them lives in Karachi, got nearly free college education in Pakistan, has a decent career, has three college kids getting scholarship in good universities of Pakistan. His brother also graduated nearly tuition free in Pakistan, came to America about the same time as me and got good college education here and like me built a successful life here--from the nearly free education in Pakistan. Both the brothers are ungrateful about what Pakistan has given them!

Then there is a close relative in Karachi who marvels at some successful relatives in India. Yeah, they are successful but so are many of the youngens in Karachi: Successful.

Some people, especially the Mohajirs/Urdu Speakers, take the misgovernance of Karachi city too far! Ungrateful bunch! BTW, I am also a Mohajir.
 
No country on Earth has hurt Pakistan more than Afghanistan but you don't see Pakistanis wanting to stop food and water to Afghanistan or wanting to grab Afghan territory (forum posts aside).

It took a lot of bloodshed and death for Pakistan to harden its stance on afghanistan, going from the position of idealistic bonds to proper national defense, but only after many lives were lost, the kindness was taken for weakness

It turns out those taliban types are bonded to nationalism, to the point that economic development is 75 years back levels


Then there was India's NSA Ajit Duval mentioning India's desire for terrorism in Baluchistan.

Do we not see the shades of Israel-speak in today's India?
I remember making this point that prior to op sindy the media headlines led with this is India's October event, which is a strange parallel to make.

And then subsequently the coverage of Gaza, the American and British media allows for more dissent and challenge to Israel

And then as the world watched what happened to Gaza, India is brazenly talking about making an entire nation dry, the rhetorical and ideological mirroring is now even being challenged within India
 

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