Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

Don't take much place by writing in extra big font

This is a stupid way of thinking btw

Presenting only one side of the story is DISHONEST.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

India would wipe the floor with Pakistan, evidence of your much smaller piece of land and the two wars since independence. Sindoor wasn´t a war, it was a bad thought out 'penal exercise' and they hadn't figured in Pakistan's new modern weaponry provided by China. So don't think India is a little bitty adversary. Maybe they sleep at the beginning like Russia, but if a real protracted war starts, Pakistan would be dismembered.

In any case, let's not talk about a war that won't ever happen.

I think Indians should first learn to wipe their arses before thinking about war. That's what the world learnt about India in 2019, 2020 and 2025.

 

[925boy]

Europe doesn't even have the means to get involved, European people hate war and they're fully invested in against Russia. EU becoming involved is such a joke, it's to cry for.

I generally agree with you. And @tsunset ,buuut, because EU feels blackmailed by US regarding its threats to exit NATO and leave EU to their own defense, EU might still support trump against Iran modestly, not too actively, because first of all, the EU navies are mostly crap and any Iranian ASBM or ASCM hitting one of their warships will totally demoralize the EUs military forces

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Honestly, bro, I have lost track of where you and I agree or disagree. But it was strange you brought up India's Pravin Swaheny in your post. A certain Mr. Water is Wet guy in this forum brings up such deflections when losing arguments. Sigh!

Anyway, there is no point projecting our wishes into predictions. In my case, I have held this notion that this is a personal war--not a well thought out war--where a compromised POTUS finally fell to Netanyahu's decades old machinations. I have also said that if Trump has a heart attack today then a Vance POTUS will wrap it up pretty quickly because Vance is not beholden to the pressures and prejudices of Trump. You may call it my 'prediction' and I have said such things before even this war even began.

But while the war has been very destructive to Iran but it is a strategic defeat of Israel and a debacle for America, but not a strategic defeat to America for as long as the Petro Dollar stays.

Let's agree to disagree brother and see how things pan out post November 2026.

However, I would like to add that both Barrak Obama and Joe Biden wanted to avoid war with Iran but not George Bush or Donald Trump.

Remember, in January 2002 the United States had officially declared Iran an "Axis of Evil", while General Wesley Clarke clarified in 2007 that the US had planned to attack 7 countries in 5 years.

Iran responded by adopting a policy to destabilise the Middle East as much as possible to keep the Americans bogged down in other countries.

However, Iran strategically lost in 2024 and the chickens came home to roost and here we are.

America also has to move onto North Korea next to complete it's longtime strategic goal which means they must turn Iran into another pacified Iraq/Syria first.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

It amazes me that kids living elsewhere take liberty with sending American kids to fight wars in foreign lands. Zion assumed the same... that once the US got into a mass casualty event it will pour more men and resources in it... in essence go for the broke for zion.


US debt is between $39 and $40 trillion with the new debt ceiling of $41 trillion... last time American federal employees and people on snap benefit didn't get pay. Everyone traveling by air had to suffer long TSA lines because of fewer screener.
You think it is a game?


Every day American is already facing the heat because of inflation. US can and eventually will inflate away it's debts... who pays for that inflation?



US is NO LONGER A MANUFACTURING ECONOMY!


US DEFAULTED on gold because of Vietnam war and Vietnam had no comparable resources or trade corridors... instead US shut the gold convertibility and brought Britton-woods to an end... it is called Nixon Shock. US forced the OPEC countries to sell their oil ONLY in US dollar to keep the global demand of dollars and became a conduit to export US created inflation to the rest of the world.



Instead, US did plaza accords with Japan... and Japan sold it's prosperity to prop up the US economy. The debt only grew from around $900 billion to over $39 trillion today.



The difference between US and Soviet Union instead... the US could export its debt. Soviets couldn't...
Debt as a currency is an instrument of war on bearer while the issuer keeps generating more. It is why zion has such choke hold on US and world... the know debt and debt based on fiat is the ultimate con!


The US just added $2 trillion in debt and by the end of this year close to another $2... I'm not talking fiscal years... that on top of refinancing another $10 trillion that the treasury is playing games with in short term notes. At least know what you're talking about. And ... now Japanese are simply unable to buy more... the gulf monarchies eho purchased through vehicles are also not buying. You'll be seeing Bessent play gymnastics.


Instead the onus is on the aggressor to follow through on its agenda. But that has shifted to opening Hormuz instead. The Iran expedition has been the most expensive in entire US history. The real costs will be known by next budget cycle... as this cycles through the system. The replacement of existing equipment cannot be done in yesterday's dollars either.



Zion invaded Iran! Just like the rest of your monologue... the whole thing is lopsided.

Was Iran ever a naval power? Air force? Things that people work up in their minds to ridicule themselves... check the dates of Iranian air force and naval ships. Second, not only that Iran is not a super power... it did not attack US. There is no there, there... one that you have construed to cope. Orange could certainly use you on his truth social... because as delusional a rhetoric he posts sometimes he certainly lags behind yours!

I am assuming you read books written by the likes of Professor Igor Panarin?

29/12/2008: As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.: WSJ

03/01/2009: U.S. to split by 2010? Russian analyst thinks so: NBC

Every country that the US bombs back to the stone age usually thinks the end of the world has arrived. When the US leaves, people in that country feel victorious and start imagining the collapse of the US.

 

[tsunset]

Unfortunately what some people fail to understand is that Palestine don't care of Iran

Even if Iran liberate Palestine totally, they will say that Turkey and Saudi Arabia or Egypt was their savior

Or that it was a Shia conspiracy theory

If they could chose between nuking Iran or Israel, they would chose Iran

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I am assuming you read books written by the likes of Professor Igor Panarin?

29/12/2008: As if Things Weren't Bad Enough, Russian Professor Predicts End of U.S.: WSJ

03/01/2009: U.S. to split by 2010? Russian analyst thinks so: NBC

Every country that the US bombs back to the stone age usually thinks the end of the world has arrived. When the US leaves, people in that country feel victorious and start imagining the collapse of the US.

So by YOUR sending American soldiers to fight a war for zion SAVES AMERICA?

IT IS CALLED DENYING THE ANTECENDENT, a fallacy! The second one you use is "argumentum ad ignorantiam" because your arguments are factually incorrect...
And cheng one ups you! Birds of a feather!

While the opposite is true in fact! Americans do not want to fight a war of choice that orange started and now he's stuck with it... it was illegal both under domestic and international law. The war of choice that is a war of aggression.
Give your arguments to orange so he can use those as a solution or to extract him out without the MoU he signed. Your heng first wasn't sure when Iran published the terms and when US did... he's now waiting for the final deal. I suggest you do the same... but here's one better for you... Mileikowsky is coming to DC... they may kick start something sooner then later... his political future depends on it.

 

[VCheng]

he's now waiting for the final deal.

And I still am. Hopefully, the negotiations will proceed again after the funeral is over.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Unfortunately what some people fail to understand is that Palestine don't care of Iran

Even if Iran liberate Palestine totally, they will say that Turkey and Saudi Arabia or Egypt was their savior

Or that it was a Shia conspiracy theory

If they could chose between nuking Iran or Israel, they would chose Iran

One of the advantages zion enjoys is ... it's ability to sow dicord among various political entities... and if none available create them...

Palestinians were the first ones to be divided... PLO as a secular entity had been anti Pakistan... because it wanted to be seen as pluralistic ... aiming more to be like India instead.
With every faction... that draws on a different utopian ideology... to get legitimacy from those who keep shifting the goal post. It will never be enough.

Instead, best is to keep your own eyes on the ball and disregard the noise.

 

[Wingzero30]

Trump told Axios he's following the funeral of former Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei."They are all there. One shot [and we can take them all out], but we are not going to do that because then we would have nobody to negotiate with," Trump said.

I would tie this POS trump naked to a heavy rod in the middle of scorching desert and throw all the known weapons of mass destruction on his head and evaporate every molecule of his disgusting being from the face of this earth.

Same punishment would be given to all his evil cronies and handlers.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

And I still am. Hopefully, the negotiations will proceed again after the funeral is over.

We're here not because you're chasing a deal now... who said that anything will materialize?
The belligerents are seeking another opening and chinks in the armor to exploit. They'll return for another bout lest the cost remains too high to do it.
This while political landscape in the mideast is shifting from underneath.

It isn't, until it is!

 

[VCheng]

It isn't, until it is!

Agreed.

And it is not over until it is over.

 

[925boy]

Unfortunately what some people fail to understand is that Palestine don't care of Iran

Even if Iran liberate Palestine totally, they will say that Turkey and Saudi Arabia or Egypt was their savior

Or that it was a Shia conspiracy theory

If they could chose between nuking Iran or Israel, they would chose Iran

But Iran hasn't been helping Palestine because Palestinians love Iran. Iran helps Palestine out of Islamic duty and national values. Cmon bro, direct this energy you're sending towards Palestinians towards Pahlavi,as you are brilliant at doing.

 

[Ali_Baba]

 

[Kyussis]

Unfortunately what some people fail to understand is that Palestine don't care of Iran

Even if Iran liberate Palestine totally, they will say that Turkey and Saudi Arabia or Egypt was their savior

Or that it was a Shia conspiracy theory

If they could chose between nuking Iran or Israel, they would chose Iran

What you say is true for Salafist Palestinians. Don't generalize ALL Palestinians because of those idiots. Iran is on the side of Palestinians because its the right thing to do, not because of how they feel about us. If we do not stand against Zionists now, we will pay for it much worst later when they show up at our front door!