Our India headache - and how to cure it

[roger]

https://www.dawn.com/news/2013273 I have noted people of Pakistan sing praise on how this treaty lasted decades, wars, hostility .....without pointing to the fact that it was the generosity of India and nothing to do with Pakistan AT ALL.

...and this is just an example of twisted thinking and appropriating things where in there is zero contribution.

It's like saying, Sun has been showering warmth on earth for millions of years . ....what is the role of earth here? Care explain.

 

[roger]

Another thing I note is Pakistan stating everywhere that India has walked out of treaty. As if India is the only country that did it.

They are not aware that US, Canada, Russia, China, UK and several other countries have walked out of multiple treaties.

Treaty survives on mutual goodwill. Congress govt was stupid and idiot, right from Jawahar times. You cannot count on your luck, push your luck, infinitely.


Issue is, India is also water starved. Fear is, no Indian govt now can go back to old arrangements. At best it can be 50:50, if Pakistan become a good girl .

 

[Yasser76]

How can we steal something that is ours ?

The treaty that calls it yours is no longer in effect.

It is not yours. If I sign a contract with someone and then they turn around and say they do not recognise the contract anymore, I will enforce it regardless.

 

[Yasser76]

Another thing I note is Pakistan stating everywhere that India has walked out of treaty. As if India is the only country that did it.

They are not aware that US, Canada, Russia, China, UK and several other countries have walked out of multiple treaties.

Treaty survives on mutual goodwill. Congress govt was stupid and idiot, right from Jawahar times. You cannot count on your luck, push your luck, infinitely.


Issue is, India is also water starved. Fear is, no Indian govt now can go back to old arrangements. At best it can be 50:50, if Pakistan become a good girl .

Ah, welcome ID Rat number 83729

 

[hussain0216]

Another thing I note is Pakistan stating everywhere that India has walked out of treaty. As if India is the only country that did it.

They are not aware that US, Canada, Russia, China, UK and several other countries have walked out of multiple treaties.

Treaty survives on mutual goodwill. Congress govt was stupid and idiot, right from Jawahar times. You cannot count on your luck, push your luck, infinitely.


Issue is, India is also water starved. Fear is, no Indian govt now can go back to old arrangements. At best it can be 50:50, if Pakistan become a good girl .

You cannot have 50-50 on Pakistani water system which runs 90% through Pakistan

The Indus is a Pakistani water system

The whole point of partition especially as Kashmir is a Muslim state, was to not get to this point where the enemy populations were connected

It's why independence of a Muslim Kashmir away from India is so important

It's why partition of Indian Muslims away from a hindutva India is so important




We have needless flashpoints for endless conflict because Indians are clowns

 

[Yasser76]

What is this Supremacist attitude. Cannot counter truth so abuse . Get down your high horse. ...one way or other it's just slide down....

Be humble and work hard if you are in Pakistan. It does not have natural resource ( Trump and Munir says Oil , Trump wants Crypto money for his family and Muneer wants acceptance for him to be hybrid badsah). Education budget has been going down as Fauj needs arms and supply of people to be their cheap terrorist.

Good luck lasting on here.....

 

[roger]

You cannot have 50-50 on Pakistani water system which runs 90% through Pakistan

The Indus is a Pakistani water system

The whole point of partition especially as Kashmir is a Muslim state, was to not get to this point where the enemy populations were connected

It's why independence of a Muslim Kashmir away from India is so important

It's why partition of Indian Muslims away from a hindutva India is so important




We have needless flashpoints for endless conflict because Indians are clowns

What a logic, extend the river at your end another 500km by digging canal and say now 95% length is in Pakistan and so give me more share .

90 % of water catchment is in India. 5% in China. Pakistan is only at Mercy of India. Just because you have a bigger mouth, does not mean the food I cook belongs to you. What a logic.

Brahamputra also has 95% share in India and Bangladesh, let me say this to Chinanor ask you if you can demand China to follow same logic.

 

[roger]

Good luck lasting on here.....

....blocking me will unblock IWT abeyance best of luck ..

 

[hussain0216]

What a logic, extend the river at your end another 500km by digging canal and say now 95% length is in Pakistan and so give me more share .

90 % of water catchment is in India. 5% in China. Pakistan is only at Mercy of India. Just because you have a bigger mouth, does not mean the food I cook belongs to you. What a logic.

Brahamputra also has 95% share in India and Bangladesh, let me say this to Chinanor ask you if you can demand China to follow same logic.

Buddy the catchment area don't mean diddly squat,, the river is a Pakistani river

It runs through Pakistan for the majority

The whole point of trying to ensure freedom for Kashmir as a Muslim state

Was so we could avoid these needless flashpoints

Jinnah 80 years ago understood what the hindutva were like and everything was done to try to avoid conflict


The river runs though Pakistan, those catchment areas in Kashmir just feed the river

Dicking about in those areas, retarded behaviour

 

[Master Chief]

Its not stealing considering Pakistan's inability to store water.

India is just utilizing them by diverting that water into needy places inside India.

So, first you guys concentrate on storage rather than blaming others like always.

Wrong again. Hindustan broke the treaty's terms. That is all that matters. Do you understand that a treaty has terms?

 

[Master Chief]

https://www.dawn.com/news/2013273 I have noted people of Pakistan sing praise on how this treaty lasted decades, wars, hostility .....without pointing to the fact that it was the generosity of India and nothing to do with Pakistan AT ALL.

...and this is just an example of twisted thinking and appropriating things where in there is zero contribution.

It's like saying, Sun has been showering warmth on earth for millions of years . ....what is the role of earth here? Care explain.

So any treaty or contract can be broken on the grounds that one party is interpreted to be more generous than the other?

 

[Master Chief]

90 % of water catchment is in India. 5% in China.

Did you just say 90% of the Indus' catchment is in India??

Love it when the Indians cosplay as hydrologists.

 

[Master Chief]

Another thing I note is Pakistan stating everywhere that India has walked out of treaty. As if India is the only country that did it.

They are not aware that US, Canada, Russia, China, UK and several other countries have walked out of multiple treaties.

Treaty survives on mutual goodwill. Congress govt was stupid and idiot, right from Jawahar times. You cannot count on your luck, push your luck, infinitely.


Issue is, India is also water starved. Fear is, no Indian govt now can go back to old arrangements. At best it can be 50:50, if Pakistan become a good girl .

Tell us why the IWT was deemed necessary by the World Bank. What happened in 1948?

Once you have read up on this, you may understand why India is regarded as a bad faith actor with regards to riparian entitlement and hence, formalised treaties are even required.

 

[Master Chief]

I mean if the Indians are claiming that there is terrorism from Pakistans side and thats why the treaty is being cancelled, then let the international body rule on it and it will be in Pakistans favor given that the measly “evidence” so far provided wasn’t taken serious by anyone who matters.

When that occurs, I pray and hope that the arm spigot opens fully to the Kashmiris so they can gain their freedom. Kashmir in the 90s for these J33ts was a literal hellhole. The Pakistani army bastards stop all support to them as a gesture of goodwill and Pakistan saw an increase in attacks across the country in return. Another reason why Pakistani Pashtun should be running the war waging efforts as they don’t have any of that subhuman Indic ties to the other side and they truly hate the pagans. I just don’t trust the Indic fu8ks ruling Pakistan to go scorched earth. This restrain mantra has been repeatedly too many times.

What the hydrology and contract law experts @lightoftruth and @Vikramaditya1 fail to acknowledge is that the IWT had its own specific dispute resolution process, a 3 step procedure.

If they didn't wish to adhere to the terms of the treaty, including its specified dispute resolution mechanism, why did they sign it?

Have they changed their mind?

If I sign a contract, can I also do that out of subsequent personal choice without fulfilling my contractual obligations as entered into?

Article IX of the IWT:

 

[Master Chief]

I think Pakistanis need to be very clear. There is a reason that the clown show to our east had invented this word "abeyance" and has refused to use "withdrawn" or "materially breached". The reason is that India failed to adhere to the precise stipulations of the contract in question.

They will come here and bark til the moon turns red that Pakistan did this or that so India will punish saar! without defining this "punishment" explicitly as the "breach" of a treaty they signed. They were under no duress to sign and we assume their representatives had capacity to sign. The World Bank was co-signatory.

Several of the clowns have actually acknowledged that India's action constitutes simple breach of terms in its purest form.

I would urge the GoI to now follow suit and declare freely that they have breached the terms.

For the record, NOWHERE in the treaty does it claim that "terrorism" or "war" or "arguments about other stuff" constitutes a breach of the terms of the treaty. I understand why India would like it to state this but they should have raised that specifically when the treaty was being drawn up.

"Abeyance" though. What a thought!