Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

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Genuinely impressive how incompetent the navy is. Shahram Irani should be held accountable for this, and his 100 other grave crimes against Iran. But of course he won’t be.

Not wild considering the shipyard is likely evacuated and that Ghadir submarine is likely broken down and inoperable or else why wasn’t it bombed during the war or in proceeding soft war since April?

US is just bombing stale targets just like Iran bombs the U.S. Navy base in Bahrain.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Not wild considering the shipyard is likely evacuated and that Ghadir submarine is likely broken down and inoperable or else why wasn’t it bombed during the war or in proceeding soft war since April?

US is just bombing stale targets just like Iran bombs the U.S. Navy base in Bahrain.

Do you think we have evacuated every military facility in the south of Iran?

 

[RescueRanger]

Do you think we have evacuated every military facility in the south of Iran?

This is another important question brother. Why isn't Iran protecting its top brass and highly skilled people? Assets can be rebuilt, human capital takes generations to rebuild.

 

[PakistanLVR]

They have competent people of their own. Also you make it sound like all this as easy as going down to Bablu pehlawn's shop and buying a dozen samosas.

Please come down from orbit. I am begging you brother.

Sorry, I get excited at the thought of nukes. I will tone down my inner Genghis Khan

 

[Watandar]

As long as we have the most unpredictable, lying, unprincipled POTUS Trump sitting in office, no agreement, not treaty, not MOU are worth anything. This is not some deep toughtout American plan: It is one person--a compromised one--acting on his whims. And he unchallenged in the so-called best democracy and the best meritocracy of the world; there are hardly any of the vaunted checks and balances left.

I don't consider Trump 'spiritual' let alone a 'Christian'. The guy is becoming senile on top of his lifelong arrogance and indifference. He actually reminds me of the boy Lord of Eyrie in The Game of Thrones!

Trump is fully exposed for what he is ....an imbecile who has been protected by wealth and privilege his entire life. We also know he is unable to actually manage anything as Covid demonstrated in his first term.

Now he is stuck in this war that he started and cannot get out of.

But I think the Muslims who voted for him and the Muslim leaders who feted him are even bigger idiots.

 

[Master Chief]

They have competent people of their own. Also you make it sound like all this as easy as going down to Bablu pehlawn's shop and buying a dozen samosas.

Please come down from orbit. I am begging you brother.

Certainly, Plutonium has been available in every corner drug store since 1985.

 

[RescueRanger]

Sorry, I get excited at the thought of nukes. I will tone down my inner Genghis Khan

It's okay dear brother, I get it. You're passionate and rightly so, but you know making this sort of weaponry isn't an overnight task. Iran still has many strategic levers it can pull.

All this talk of CBRN weapons is fanciful right now. Iran has the greatest card in its hand and that is it's tactical control of SOH.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Persian Gulf]

This is another important question brother. Why isn't Iran protecting its top brass and highly skilled people? Assets can be rebuilt, human capital takes generations to rebuild.

When the top cadre of officials all meet in Khamenei’s unprotected house during war time, rather than a bunker like in every other country in the world, what can you expect?

And when they do get protection they ignore protocols.

 

[Meengla]

That was and is hardliners. Your government has no control over them. Lets wait for your official elected government officials deny the news. Until then, Iran is aggressor and anyone wishing to burn or punish Saudi/Qatar are as delusional as those IRGC who started this whole mess by firing missiles on Qatar/Saudi ships and then also declare Saudis an aggressor if and when they retaliate.

Well, by now, even the sympathizers of Iran are learning about the absolute role a religious cleric like the Ayatollah plays, and then there is the IRGC, and then the Reformists. When the ARAMCO attack in Saudi Arabia happened, the official Iranian position was to disown that but the IRGC claimed that. Even the very sympathetic Pakistani analysts were scratching their heads.
There is already Israel doing all it can to engineer a conflict between the regional countries. If there is any truth in Mossad co-opting Ahmadinejad, as NY Times is posting today, then that is very problematic. Iranians shouldn't help Israel with their goals. Speak in one voice. One voice. Have a solid chain of command which even poor countries like India and Pakistan have.

 

[RescueRanger]

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I have said this before. His staff need to hide his phone for a few days, things will improve.

 

[030292]

Build the BOMB or something or at least build some air defence to avoid getting carpet bombed, at least give yourselves a survival chance, anything to deter the epstein class, its so hard to see a great nation like iran getting bombed every night

 

[krash]

No. I'm saying Israel ALREADY scuttled the MoU.

If a single term of a treaty is broken, the whole treaty stands violated.

Israel did not. Iran did, playing right into what the genociders wanted it to. Iranians aren't naive enough not to have expected this from Israel when signing the MOU or the US response to their attack. And then again, to what end? What has Iran achieved by nullifying the one thing it had over the US against Israel, along with everything else that they had achieved?

Although nobody in msm reported it as such, or deliberately suppressed the numerous open source opinion pieces that stated this at the time, Iran is somewhat justified in its position on that basis alone.

Unfortunately, wars and geopolitics do not care for justifications. Ask the Iraqis.

Now assuming standard maritime law then applies, we can argue that Iran should not have exerted influence on Omani jurisdiction in Omani waters, which is a different argument and is technically true, but I don't think the actions in the Strait would be restricted by the terms of the already abrogated treaty.

Justified or not, what were they hoping to achieve and what response did they expect from the US?

In terms of the endgame, strategically, Iran has always had a plan. Iran can't hurt USA directly at all and can't hurt Israel directly much, but it still believes it can hurt the logistics and economics of both nations. I suspect Iran is now prepared to pay the heavy costs that will be levied in exchange for a decisive struggle for control of the Strait.

There is no possible scenario where Iran will be handed the control of Omani waters, not when it can be bombed willy-nilly. Any attempt to do so will only see the perpetuation of war.

I also think the concluding elements of this endgame for Iran will ultimately be decided by whichever group (hardliners vs. reformists) controls their nation's direction.

The dilemma of today's Muslims; uneducated mullahs feeding desperate masses impossible fantasies of jihad and in turn keeping them impotent to actually wage it.

 

[ShapurII]

Saudi Arabia has officially attacked Yemen by bombing the Sana'a Airport.

Now Yemen has casus belli for attacking Saudi oil facilities, their oil pipeline and shutting down the Bab El-Mandeb.

We will soon find out how useful the Houthis are. And my guess is not much.

 

[Meengla]

But I think the Muslims who voted for him and the Muslim leaders who feted him are even bigger idiots.

Oh, the Muslims in Michigan, on top of the Latinos for Trump, the Blacks for Trump, the poor rednecks for Trump... 77 million voted for an obvious Narcist. Some analyst rightly profiled Trump as 'he only cares for Ivanka Trump and could even throw Melania under the bus. '
Hitler even cared for his dog!