Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Persian Gulf]

This is another important question brother. Why isn't Iran protecting its top brass and highly skilled people? Assets can be rebuilt, human capital takes generations to rebuild.

When the top cadre of officials all meet in Khamenei’s unprotected house during war time, rather than a bunker like in every other country in the world, what can you expect?

And when they do get protection they ignore protocols.

 

[Meengla]

That was and is hardliners. Your government has no control over them. Lets wait for your official elected government officials deny the news. Until then, Iran is aggressor and anyone wishing to burn or punish Saudi/Qatar are as delusional as those IRGC who started this whole mess by firing missiles on Qatar/Saudi ships and then also declare Saudis an aggressor if and when they retaliate.

Well, by now, even the sympathizers of Iran are learning about the absolute role a religious cleric like the Ayatollah plays, and then there is the IRGC, and then the Reformists. When the ARAMCO attack in Saudi Arabia happened, the official Iranian position was to disown that but the IRGC claimed that. Even the very sympathetic Pakistani analysts were scratching their heads.
There is already Israel doing all it can to engineer a conflict between the regional countries. If there is any truth in Mossad co-opting Ahmadinejad, as NY Times is posting today, then that is very problematic. Iranians shouldn't help Israel with their goals. Speak in one voice. One voice. Have a solid chain of command which even poor countries like India and Pakistan have.

 

[RescueRanger]

I have said this before. His staff need to hide his phone for a few days, things will improve.

 

[030292]

Build the BOMB or something or at least build some air defence to avoid getting carpet bombed, at least give yourselves a survival chance, anything to deter the epstein class, its so hard to see a great nation like iran getting bombed every night

 

[krash]

No. I'm saying Israel ALREADY scuttled the MoU.

If a single term of a treaty is broken, the whole treaty stands violated.

Israel did not. Iran did, playing right into what the genociders wanted it to. Iranians aren't naive enough not to have expected this from Israel when signing the MOU or the US response to their attack. And then again, to what end? What has Iran achieved by nullifying the one thing it had over the US against Israel, along with everything else that they had achieved?

Although nobody in msm reported it as such, or deliberately suppressed the numerous open source opinion pieces that stated this at the time, Iran is somewhat justified in its position on that basis alone.

Unfortunately, wars and geopolitics do not care for justifications. Ask the Iraqis.

Now assuming standard maritime law then applies, we can argue that Iran should not have exerted influence on Omani jurisdiction in Omani waters, which is a different argument and is technically true, but I don't think the actions in the Strait would be restricted by the terms of the already abrogated treaty.

Justified or not, what were they hoping to achieve and what response did they expect from the US?

In terms of the endgame, strategically, Iran has always had a plan. Iran can't hurt USA directly at all and can't hurt Israel directly much, but it still believes it can hurt the logistics and economics of both nations. I suspect Iran is now prepared to pay the heavy costs that will be levied in exchange for a decisive struggle for control of the Strait.

There is no possible scenario where Iran will be handed the control of Omani waters, not when it can be bombed willy-nilly. Any attempt to do so will only see the perpetuation of war.

I also think the concluding elements of this endgame for Iran will ultimately be decided by whichever group (hardliners vs. reformists) controls their nation's direction.

The dilemma of today's Muslims; uneducated mullahs feeding desperate masses impossible fantasies of jihad and in turn keeping them impotent to actually wage it.

 

[ShapurII]

Saudi Arabia has officially attacked Yemen by bombing the Sana'a Airport.

Now Yemen has casus belli for attacking Saudi oil facilities, their oil pipeline and shutting down the Bab El-Mandeb.

We will soon find out how useful the Houthis are. And my guess is not much.

 

[Meengla]

But I think the Muslims who voted for him and the Muslim leaders who feted him are even bigger idiots.

Oh, the Muslims in Michigan, on top of the Latinos for Trump, the Blacks for Trump, the poor rednecks for Trump... 77 million voted for an obvious Narcist. Some analyst rightly profiled Trump as 'he only cares for Ivanka Trump and could even throw Melania under the bus. '
Hitler even cared for his dog!

 

[Persian Gulf]

Saudi Arabia has officially attacked Yemen by bombing the Sana'a Airport.

Now Yemen has casus belli for attacking Saudi oil facilities, their oil pipeline and shutting down the Bab El-Mandeb.

We will soon find out how useful the Houthis are. And my guess is not much.

I think they will attack the Abha airport in south Saudi. They bombed that airport many times previously, and it makes sense as a like for like response without having to use MRBMs

 

[Persian Gulf]

This guy is party to classified briefings to Congress and has provided good analysis throughout the war

 

[Meengla]

I think they will attack the Abha airport in south Saudi. They bombed that airport many times previously, and it makes sense as a like for like response without having to use MRBMs

If you can reach that far then go for Tel Aviv. Why not strike 'the head of the snake' itself?

 

[030292]

Oh, the Muslims in Michigan, on top of the Latinos for Trump, the Blacks for Trump, the poor rednecks for Trump... 77 million voted for an obvious Narcist. Some analyst rightly profiled Trump as 'he only cares for Ivanka Trump and could even throw Melania under the bus. '
Hitler even cared for his dog!

To be fair to voters, the primary choices for both parties were absolutely horrendous, it was a case of either voting for kamala harris/biden who gave full support to israel as they commited genocide or vote for someone else which happened to be trump in the hopes that maybe he will at least try to put a leash on israel.

 

[RescueRanger]

Well, by now, even the sympathizers of Iran are learning about the absolute role a religious cleric like the Ayatollah plays, and then there is the IRGC, and then the Reformists. When the ARAMCO attack in Saudi Arabia happened, the official Iranian position was to disown that but the IRGC claimed that. Even the very sympathetic Pakistani analysts were scratching their heads.
There is already Israel doing all it can to engineer a conflict between the regional countries. If there is any truth in Mossad co-opting Ahmadinejad, as NY Times is posting today, then that is very problematic. Iranians shouldn't help Israel with their goals. Speak in one voice. One voice. Have a solid chain of command which even poor countries like India and Pakistan have.

Brother from my phatichar understanding of Iranian military war-fighting doctrine, this is due to the very system they employ known as دفاعِ موزائیکی.

The Iranians studied the 2003 Iraq war and came to the conclusion that a unified centralized command authority is vulnerable to a direct attack or elimination by a highly organized enemy attack.

As Iran faces multiple threat actors, they developed this decentralized command doctrine with provincial independence, pre-delegated authorities and successor protocols to ensure the survival of the command and fighting force. It has worked out well for them.

So, I think it is unfair when people say Iran doesn't have a chain of command, it very much does, it's just not how traditionalists would envision a chain of command per say.

Just like any country you have different factions with different opinions on how things should be done, Iran is no different. As for one voice, even America can't seem to speak in unison these days...

 

[030292]

I think they will attack the Abha airport in south Saudi. They bombed that airport many times previously, and it makes sense as a like for like response without having to use MRBMs

Ksa attacked sana'a airport, yemen's capital, like for like response would be to strike airport in riyadh

 

[Meengla]

To be fair to voters, the primary choices for both parties were absolutely horrendous, it was a case of either voting for kamala harris/biden who gave full support to israel as they commited genocide or vote for someone else which happened to be trump in the hopes that maybe he will at least try to put a leash on israel.

No. Kamala can't be blamed for Biden's actions. The VPOTUS is usually a seat warmer and generally supports the Presidents. I have no doubt that Kamala would be more fair on Palestine. Why so: Because her political base requires her of that. But I had not doubt that Trump would be even more brutal in Middle East than Biden was. I have many, many warnings about Trump in the Gaza War thread; warnings, which very few understood and agreed with.
Kamala was not only following a traditional role a US VP does but she also needed the crucial AIPAC money. Look at how many candidates AIPAC has toppled over the years? So why sit licking your wounds on the sideline like those who lost because of AIPAC?
But, of course, we would never know what could she have done. But it is my prediction that if the next POTUS will become from the Democratic Party then it would be significantly different policy, more fair one, in the Middle East.