Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

Iranian Delegation landded in Doha - just moments ago.

 

[IceCold]

Iran can hit US ships. 100%. That would mean all out war with gloves coming off against a super power

So are you suggesting that hitting nuclear installations of another country, killing the entire top leadership or sinking the Iranian ships that resulted in killing of sailors and killing of over 100 innocent children, was not an all out war?

 

[PakistanLVR]

Ofcourse it’s not exactly the same.

But there are parallels.

US just doesn’t have the stomach for wars.

Especially the ones of choice.

You can easily develop a stomach by blasting propaganda 24/7, something which Muslims do not understand or want to do to get the home front on your side. This is how they’re able to sustain the wars over decades with minimal resistant.

 

[wangdefa]

Iran doesn’t benefit from escalation.

Iran benefits from attrition.

The goal of a soldier is solely to destroy the target and complete the mission. I have always believed that soldiers are pure and unsuited for the complex ideological work of civilian officials.
I..A few months ago, I have been emphasizing that this is a war. Either you end the failure, and the other side accepts it. The entire process is not important. The enemy will not talk to you about civilization or morality. Achieving strategic objectives is the pursuit of a soldier.
Iran has been blinded by the three hundred billion. I said this was halftime; it's not over yet.
If you can't achieve results on the battlefield, you certainly won't get what you want at the negotiating table.

 

[PakistanLVR]

So are you suggesting that hitting nuclear installations of another country, killing the entire top leadership or sinking the Iranian ships that resulted in killing of sailors and killing of over 100 innocent children, was not an all out war?

All-out war IMO is the only way to get a good deal during ceasefire. Show that you’re crazy enough to be very destructive

 

[BananaRepublic]

I recall you were also one of those who were mocking Pakistans role. Good to see you’ve mend your views to reality

I won’t dwell on it too much as I don’t want to go off topic.

If you mean I have been sceptical of the negotiations leading to a settlement then, yes.

But that’s not contradictory to the overall objective.

Other thing I have been critical of is Pakistan’s closeness to the treacherous Saudis. Which has upset some. But I don’t care!!!

 

[Musings]

Although this will no doubt upset @Musings

Na bro - i dont get upset - unless it involves someone taking my food...........

 

[FUB]

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[BananaRepublic]

The goal of a soldier is solely to destroy the target and complete the mission. I have always believed that soldiers are pure and unsuited for the complex ideological work of civilian officials.
I..A few months ago, I have been emphasizing that this is a war. Either you end the failure, and the other side accepts it. The entire process is not important. The enemy will not talk to you about civilization or morality. Achieving strategic objectives is the pursuit of a soldier.
Iran has been blinded by the three hundred billion. I said this was halftime; it's not over yet.

That’s a very medieval approach to war.

Modern warfare is multifaceted. Especially when the enemy has a budget thousands times bigger than yours.

 

[RocketLaw]

I think - US is trying to cut off Russia's gas supply lines in RED SEA via Yemen under Iran

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Russia is poor and begging India for help!

 

[wangdefa]

That’s a very medieval approach to war.

Modern warfare is multifaceted. Especially when the enemy has a budget thousands times bigger than yours.

Human nature has remained unchanged for thousands of years, always repeating history.

 

[Pak Defender]

Satellite imagery shows a warehouse at 28°58'17.28"N, 48°04'59.42"E in Mina Abdullah, Kuwait, completely destroyed after being struck by Iranian Shahed-136 one-way attack (OWA) drones.

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[Master Chief]

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I'm not saying I believe this random twitter post. But it does present us with an interesting case study.

Why does Iran simply not stay quiet and execute its plan and then either: (a) retrospectively explain what it's done, or even (b) deny having done it (to create at least some minor confusion via the perception of false flagging by Israel)?

For a weaker party in an asymmetric war, to announce every minor escalatory step well in advance is rather amateurish. I don't recall such behaviour in an asymmetric war between nation states ever.

USA can certainly play this game of making x,y,z generalised threat and then following through on it. Iran cannot match USA in this particular game.

 

[FUB]

Lavrov said , the west is

“ It is agreement-incapable.”
Iran should destroy 10x of PGCC every time it is attacked.

The real president of the US is arriving this week and he will stay until Tuesday.

Every the time war criminals arrive , chaos escalates after they leave.

 

[BananaRepublic]

You can easily develop a stomach by blasting propaganda 24/7, something which Muslims do not understand or want to do to get the home front on your side. This is how they’re able to sustain the wars over decades with minimal resistant.

Even AIPAC is finding the limits of its propaganda.

Economic realities cuts through propaganda