Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Professor Jiang]

who said anything about israel and Iran ? IRGC is a different deal they dont care about Iran.

Says who? Iranians right now are saying the complete opposite: that it is the IRGC that are defending the country despite the best efforts of Pezeshkian's government to handicap the armed forces with useless MoUs and promises made by a gambler.

 

[maverick]

For the same reason that we have fired over 2,000 ballistic missiles and haven't killed even 20 American soldiers so far.


Because they can? And they want minimal casualties.

There were advisors in most of these places and the infrastructure iran was hitting did not house people right in there. The injuries have been massive. Do you want iran to start hitting the mess halls, and office areas of officers or hit the assets used to hit them ?

 

[Ali_Baba]

The Houthis of Yemen were a subplot, Iran is the original plot. That's why the US was not interested in a long term conflict with them.

Also, there is nothing in this world that cannot be sunk.

Had the Houthis hit and sunk an aircraft carrier, are you suggesting USA would not nuked the Houthis ? But, somehow if Iran could, it would nuke them ? Logically, makes no sense but I will leave this thread here.

 

[Yasser76]

No target is 100% secure. There is a reason those ships are so far out.

Needless to say, Iran attacking a US aircraft carrier would result in massive outrage in the states, would actually harden domestic opinions regarding the war and galvanize support against Iran mong NATO members.

For now the support for the war back in the states is like warm at best. This would change overnight, many in the intl. Media still share news articles highlighting the plight of the Iranians, this would change overnight when caskets of American personnel are seen on screens.

Attacking a US Navy vessel in any spectacular fashion would be highly counter productive to Iran and it's interests.

100% , no matter how much a nation may disagree with a war, no one will stand by and watch 5,000 sailors drown and not want revenge

 

[Flotilla]

We already have seen Iran's fast response to the US pilot incident. I'm not very optimistic.
Also, Vietnam war was fought in dense forests. More difficult for the US Air Force in 80s.

I am much more optimistic. Yes US entered inside Irán and operated during hours, but the landing finished in a complete failure with more than half dozen aircrafts destroyed.

Even US personnel said that every Iranian with a weapon was shooting them. And that would make things extraordinary difficult to them. This kind of numantine resistance can be mixed with all propaganda apparatus just to tell them that US is the invader, and their interest relies just in oíl that can be easily traded vía international commerce.

Irán is not Irak. There are high mountains, and a lot of short range missiles like Fath360 and drones enough for make indirect fire support literally hundreds of kilometers away. Much more than Ukraine, whose military didn't have that awesome conventional ballistic missile force.

 

[ShapurII]

There were advisors in most of these places and the infrastructure iran was hitting did not house people right in there. The injuries have been massive. Do you want iran to start hitting the mess halls, and office areas of officers or hit the assets used to hit them ?

Since when 553 injuries is a "massive" number?

Iran has hit the US bases with ballistic missiles with heavy warheads. The kinetic energy alone would suffice to cause serious injuries. Why do you think the number of injuries is still so low?

Over a thousand missiles hit the US military bases so far and only 18 people have been killed in action (5 of them were killed in a single strike by the IRIAF) and 553 have been injured. I think the reason for that is extremely clear.

 

[Ali_Baba]

No target is 100% secure. There is a reason those ships are so far out.

Needless to say, Iran attacking a US aircraft carrier would result in massive outrage in the states, would actually harden domestic opinions regarding the war and galvanize support against Iran mong NATO members.

For now the support for the war back in the states is like warm at best. This would change overnight, many in the intl. Media still share news articles highlighting the plight of the Iranians, this would change overnight when caskets of American personnel are seen on screens.

Attacking a US Navy vessel in any spectacular fashion would be highly counter productive to Iran and it's interests.

Yes - that is my point, it has nothing to do with nuclear weapons being dropped and everything to do with Iran calibrating its response for escalation management to give the Americans a route out..

( and I don't agree with your point about NATO caring "more" if an aircraft carrier is hit during military operations against Iran, by Iran in response - but I will leave that logic for others to opine on... I need some lunch .. so bye for now).

 

[maverick]

Building a single nuclear warhead is not going to change anything. And Iran has no fissile material to do that. We can only purchase nukes at this point, which is impossible.

Iran is sitting on 600Kgs of 60% UF6, refining it to 90% of U235 will get them 290kgs of fissile material enough for 20 nuclear bombs of 20 thousand TNT, more than North Korea, its more than enough to cause serious damage to millions of troops trying to invade their country. my two cents.

 

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[Flotilla]

Germany proposes to take over security and monitoring mission in Lebanon:

Germany proposes EU force to replace UN mission in Lebanon​

https://www.reuters.com/world/germany-proposes-eu-force-replace-un-mission-lebanon-2026-07-17/

Woow that will change all, specially Germán troops that are famed to protect Palestinans lives during all occupation history. I will sleep better tonight knowing that brave german soldiers will confront any Israel agression.

 

[ShapurII]

Iran is sitting on 600Kgs of 60% UF6, refining it to 90% of U235 will get them 290kgs of fissile material enough for 20 nuclear bombs of 20 thousand TNT

Nope, 440 kg of 60% UF6, not 600 kg. And Iran cannot access it because it's been buried deeply under Fordow and Natanz at the moment, and it will take months to dig those places with special equipment because the whole place is now radioactive and corrosive, which is absolutely impossible under 24/7 satellite surveillance and US air dominance over Iran.

And even if Iran by some miracle accesses its 440 kg of 60% UF6, Iran has lost most of its centrifuges and even if Iran enriches it to 80%-90% with a small percentage of it enriched to 99%, Iran has no uranium metal conversion facility anymore.

So, bottom line, Iran has no fissile material. Case closed. The US made sure of that before launching an all-out war on Iran. This is why the US targeted Iran's nuclear facilities first in last year's June.

 

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[RescueRanger]

Yes - that is my point

Your point was its no big deal if Iran attacks a USN Carrier... Like hey no biggie... Which is factually incorrect at best.

, it has nothing to do with nuclear weapons being dropped and everything to do with Iran calibrating its response for escalation management to give the Americans a route out..

Which circles back to everything to do with the capabilities of the enemy. Iran wouldn't be "calibrating" if it didn't feel the US could escalate further.

( and I don't agree with your point about NATO caring "more" if an aircraft carrier is hit during military operations against Iran, by Iran in response -

History tells us a different story... But hey if we are dismissing historical precedent, might as well claim the moon is made of chocolate.

but I will leave that logic for others to opine on... I need some lunch .. so bye for now).

Enjoy your lunch. Buh Bye!