Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Another incident.

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ShapurII said:
What argument? You're claiming we celebrated Araghchi. OK, prove it. Because as an Iranian that checks conservative and reformist newspapers, as well as anti-IR channels, nobody did that.

We will continue the rest of this discussion after you have proven that the Iranians celebrated Araghchi. Fair enough? You want me to address your arguments, then at least have some sort of valid and factual statements.

Most people in Iran have already made up their minds about whom they support and whom they don't. So, your idea that Iranians decide emotionally and change their idea rapidly is absolutely baseless.
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Fair enough. If "celebrated" overstates the case, I'll withdraw that wording. My point wasn't dependent on Araghchi specifically, and I'm not interested in defending a claim I can't prove.

The broader point remains unchanged..... public opinion is not static, especially during wars. History is full of examples where wars, economic crises, sanctions, military successes, and failures have changed public attitudes. To claim that "most people in Iran have already made up their minds" and that those views will never change is just as difficult to prove as the opposite.

I also stand by my broader assessment. Ten or fifteen years from now, when more information becomes available and emotions have cooled, I believe history will show that the IRGC was a major obstacle to ending the conflict and that its strategic decisions contributed to dragging Iran into yet another cycle of economic hardship and international isolation. That's my assessment based on the trajectory we've seen, and time will ultimately judge whether it's correct.
 
Optical216 said:
I wish we did not sign that defense agreement with the saudis. I do not think iran is a great ally of Pakistan either but the saudis are genetically built to be sell outs of the highest order.
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Its a nation created by the white man to begin with.
 
F.O.X said:
Fair enough. If "celebrated" overstates the case, I'll withdraw that wording. My point wasn't dependent on Araghchi specifically, and I'm not interested in defending a claim I can't prove.

The broader point remains unchanged..... public opinion is not static, especially during wars. History is full of examples where wars, economic crises, sanctions, military successes, and failures have changed public attitudes. To claim that "most people in Iran have already made up their minds" and that those views will never change is just as difficult to prove as the opposite.

I also stand by my broader assessment. Ten or fifteen years from now, when more information becomes available and emotions have cooled, I believe history will show that the IRGC was a major obstacle to ending the conflict and that its strategic decisions contributed to dragging Iran into yet another cycle of economic hardship and international isolation. That's my assessment based on the trajectory we've seen, and time will ultimately judge whether it's correct.
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There are three groups of Iranians with respect to the war, as almost in every other country.

1. Pro-IR supporters: They would die to save the system from collapse and are ready to sacrifice everything they have.
2. Anti-IR factions: They want the US to overthrow the regime for them.
3. The majority of Iranians: They want Iran to defend its territory and for the war to end soon with fair terms. And these people are by far the biggest of the three.
 
Iran should keep the Strait of Hormuz closed and close the Strait of Bab-el-Mandeb to put pressure on US consumers to ensure that Republicans lose the Midterm elections on November 3.

This war will go down into history as US defeat and Iran's victory.

Idiotic Trump is so dumb and incompetent that he doesn't even understand that he shouldn't have started this war in the first place.
 
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Thousands of Yemenis flooded the streets of #Saada Governorate, northern Yemen, in a mass demonstration held under the banner "Friday of Warning and Mobilization," sending a message of defiance against the continued siege and aggression on the country.

Chanting slogans affirming that "aggression will be met with aggression," Yemenis expressed their support for #Yemen’s Armed Forces and their readiness to confront any further escalation.

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RescueRanger said:
Your point was its no big deal if Iran attacks a USN Carrier... Like hey no biggie... Which is factually incorrect at best.
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Given that this has not taken place and that a carrier has not hit, let alone sunk, I don't we can refer to anything as "factually".

The Iranians may well need to make a decision if they will cross the line you have suggested exists when USN amphibious assault ships attempt their invasion attempts on Iranian soil and the associated carrier groups support that. Do they try to stop the ships, risking mass casualty event on amphibious ships hosting thousands of marines, or do they leave them alone to invade Iran?

Additionally, On what basis can the USA make the case that the sinking of an aircraft carrier is sufficient just case for a nuclear strike that will kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Iranian?

RescueRanger said:
History tells us a different story... But hey if we are dismissing historical precedent, might as well claim the moon is made of chocolate.
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What is the historical precedent? It can't be Sept 11, 2001 as that was an unprovoked attack on USA soil. Here we are talking about combatants in active military operations that are conducting an illegal war of aggression against Iran. The two are not comparable.

RescueRanger said:
Enjoy your lunch. Buh Bye! :)
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Thanks - it did the job ( Large Seekh Kebab baguette, with salad and chutney dressing if you are interested . :)
 
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