Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

به خدا اصلاح‌طلب‌ها کونده پرروترین آدم‌هایی هستن که دیدم
و کشور واقعاً خر تو خر و بی‌صاحب هست که این آشغالدونی انتخاب بسته نمی‌شه​

 

[RescueRanger]

Bro we are not living in the WW2 era its different times, I dont know what the consequences of sinking a carrier would be but I dont think Iran can do it in the first place. However using a nuke is a very very high bar because if any nation in modern times crosses that threshold we can kiss good bye to rest of the world as we will be going down a very dangerous path.

Let's not test fate is all, I'm old enough to remember the tanker wars is all I'm saying.

 

[lightning f57]

"Civilian" is the key word here. If Iran hits civilian targets of other countries then all Iranian civilian targets are fair game.

The US is hitting civilian targets so per your doctrine everything is fair game right now.

 

[Abdul q]

Well at least Iran is not attacking Saudi, from a Pak perspective that is a relief.

Unsure why the kids gloves with UAE but attacking the Qataris who tried hard for peace. Granted they have restricted thmselves to US bases in Qatar but what about US bases in UAE?

Something seems a bit off here....

For now * be happy while it lasts

 

[Optical216]

I wish we did not sign that defense agreement with the saudis. I do not think iran is a great ally of Pakistan either but the saudis are genetically built to be sell outs of the highest order.

 

[lightning f57]

Iran should hurry up and end life in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE by wiping out all water desalination plants and water storage facilities.

Im purely thinking from a military strategy perspective here, if I am Iran countries like Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, even Qatar need to be taken off the chess board to limit the US ability to attack from there. So far hitting US bases is not having that affect.

 

[ShapurII]

The moment someone has to start with ‘cut the crap’ instead of addressing the argument, it usually means they don’t have a solid rebuttal.

You’re attacking a single example while ignoring the actual point. Whether Araghchi was ‘celebrated by everyone’ is irrelevant. The point is that public sentiment during a war is volatile and can shift rapidly. People can support negotiations one week and condemn the negotiators the next, especially after military setbacks, sanctions, or political pressure.

My broader point is simple: support for Iran does not automatically equal support for the IRGC. Those are two different things. Unless you have credible evidence showing that a majority of Iranians support the IRGC specifically, claiming so is just an assertion.

rest if you want to bury your head in the sand that is totally upto you , I wont stop you.

What argument? You're claiming we celebrated Araghchi. OK, prove it. Because as an Iranian that checks conservative and reformist newspapers, as well as anti-IR channels, nobody did that.

We will continue the rest of this discussion after you have proven that the Iranians celebrated Araghchi. Fair enough? You want me to address your arguments, then at least have some sort of valid and factual statements.

Most people in Iran have already made up their minds about whom they support and whom they don't. So, your idea that Iranians decide emotionally and change their idea rapidly is absolutely baseless.

 

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[F.O.X]

What argument? You're claiming we celebrated Araghchi. OK, prove it. Because as an Iranian that checks conservative and reformist newspapers, as well as anti-IR channels, nobody did that.

We will continue the rest of this discussion after you have proven that the Iranians celebrated Araghchi. Fair enough? You want me to address your arguments, then at least have some sort of valid and factual statements.

Most people in Iran have already made up their minds about whom they support and whom they don't. So, your idea that Iranians decide emotionally and change their idea rapidly is absolutely baseless.

Fair enough. If "celebrated" overstates the case, I'll withdraw that wording. My point wasn't dependent on Araghchi specifically, and I'm not interested in defending a claim I can't prove.

The broader point remains unchanged..... public opinion is not static, especially during wars. History is full of examples where wars, economic crises, sanctions, military successes, and failures have changed public attitudes. To claim that "most people in Iran have already made up their minds" and that those views will never change is just as difficult to prove as the opposite.

I also stand by my broader assessment. Ten or fifteen years from now, when more information becomes available and emotions have cooled, I believe history will show that the IRGC was a major obstacle to ending the conflict and that its strategic decisions contributed to dragging Iran into yet another cycle of economic hardship and international isolation. That's my assessment based on the trajectory we've seen, and time will ultimately judge whether it's correct.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I wish we did not sign that defense agreement with the saudis. I do not think iran is a great ally of Pakistan either but the saudis are genetically built to be sell outs of the highest order.

Its a nation created by the white man to begin with.

 

[ShapurII]

Fair enough. If "celebrated" overstates the case, I'll withdraw that wording. My point wasn't dependent on Araghchi specifically, and I'm not interested in defending a claim I can't prove.

The broader point remains unchanged..... public opinion is not static, especially during wars. History is full of examples where wars, economic crises, sanctions, military successes, and failures have changed public attitudes. To claim that "most people in Iran have already made up their minds" and that those views will never change is just as difficult to prove as the opposite.

I also stand by my broader assessment. Ten or fifteen years from now, when more information becomes available and emotions have cooled, I believe history will show that the IRGC was a major obstacle to ending the conflict and that its strategic decisions contributed to dragging Iran into yet another cycle of economic hardship and international isolation. That's my assessment based on the trajectory we've seen, and time will ultimately judge whether it's correct.

There are three groups of Iranians with respect to the war, as almost in every other country.

1. Pro-IR supporters: They would die to save the system from collapse and are ready to sacrifice everything they have.
2. Anti-IR factions: They want the US to overthrow the regime for them.
3. The majority of Iranians: They want Iran to defend its territory and for the war to end soon with fair terms. And these people are by far the biggest of the three.

 

[Ali_Baba]

The US is hitting civilian targets so per your doctrine everything is fair game right now.

Right now - it seems that Bahrain and Kuwait are a "hall pass" for Iran to do with what they please. ?