Ali_Baba
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The offer to Australia for the Barracuda's was far more than this was.
German Embassy Indian submarine deal signature next month
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The offer to Australia for the Barracuda's was far more than this was.
CallSignMaverick
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Yes, and thats why having own tech matured early matters a lot coz our P-77 nuclear attack submarines under construction cost almost just as much per vessel but construction capacity is limited.
Yes but European weapons are always expensive..... Russian Amur would have come at much cheaper price but seems IN was not satisfied with those...
Russians were even ready to supply with VLS for Brahmos but still IN went for U boats means something is very special with these which other submarines couldn't offer....
It is quite a stretch to characterize them as being " under construction " when even the design is far from being finalized.
German goodies have premium pricing, and there is also supposed to be some transfer of technology.
CallSignMaverick
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CCS approval comes for construction only. Meaning the design was ready from WDB and BARC and then was proposed to cabinet for sanctioning the project to build them. The first boat is to be inducted by 2036 so it has to be U/C now to reach that deadline.
I think this price for U boats we are paying because there is every possibility we are getting these subs with non magnetic hull like U212.... otherwise we had option to go for Amur with VLS for Brahmos, French barracudas shortfins or simply for additional scorpeans..... navy seems to be keep it as a secret.....
CallSignMaverick
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Is there any confirmation these are coming with VLS cells? I don't have hopes but if they do then the costs are kinda justified.
I think the original CCS approval was done in 2015. If that happens only aftet design has been finalized, why is it going to take 21 years to construct a sub whose design has been locked down ?
No confirmation on that... it was surely offered in Amur though.... but considering high price tag and knowing Germany we are still going ahead means something is not revealed to public..... either non magnetic hulll maybe it's U212 in the name of U214 or its coming with VLS as well...., this is going to be our IsrealI Drackon type....
Corax
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So there's no official confirmation that construction has started? Just your assumption. And given previous numerous precedence of setting deadlines, read tejus, doesn't mean 2030 will be met.
Below indicates 2036-37, so construction hasn't started, and I would even take that deadline with a truck load of salt.
https:Indigenous nuclear attack submarine design to take 4-5 years, another five years for construction - The Hindu https://share.google/Zcuk2gd225gSuh0gu
White Privilege
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Indians are just trying to keep the global vendors in their pockets and prevent them from selling to Pakistan, thats it. These subs won't be needed to prowl the Pacific as US subs are enough, and most operations against Pakistan will be surface based. These subs matter even less than the IAF to the Indians.
kmc_chacko
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In 2015 it was Project 75A but after Arihanth induction, IN interested in having both SSBN & SSN alongwith Indigenous SSKs. So a separate SSBN, SSN & SSK building plans under the names S5 Class, P-76 & P-77 was materialized. Due to changes sizes & requirements initial plans were revised and new Designing process started in 2017-18 and finalized by 2020-21, by the end of 2024 CCS approved for construction of 2 S5 Class, 2 SSNs & 6 SSKs with estimated timeline of inducting 1st boats by 2032 and rest each by 6-12 months gap.
