Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Owaiz]

The idea only works once the Arab world drops this old ego that they “lead” anything. For decades they genuinely saw themselves as above non‑Arab Muslims and almost equal to Western powers — until Iran shattered that illusion and Pan‑Arabism collapsed. That’s the part people always forget.

If they’re serious about any trilateral defence axis, they’d have to invest heavily into Turkish and Pakistani defence industries. Otherwise, why would anyone die for them? Especially when the likely scenario is the West quietly backing Iran or Israel to drag the region into another Muslim‑on‑Muslim conflict.

Let’s see how this unfolds, but the days of Arabs assuming automatic leadership are over. Any future alignment only works if they recognise that reality first.

Many people also share the delusion that Saudi Arabia is some source of unlimited funding. They are a very rich country, yes, but they also have huge domestic funding commitments. They are running increasingly larger budget deficits and have had to borrow money. Despite the huge spending, their GDP growth has been anaemic as Vision 2030 has mostly been a failure on the financial front.

 

[flyingorca]

Do you really think so ? that Turkey poses a threat to israel?

historically the only nation that posed threat on israel among the 3 is just pakistan when they sent some of their pilots to Egypt during 1973 and before it.

Saudia (was) a threat during Faisal era until he was assassinated and now Saudia just pays yearly bribe to the U.S ( trillions) for protection of Al-Saud throne.

what Turkey has done ? absolutely nothing.

Iran had a chance to cause some serious long lasting damage to Israel instead it all just turned out to be small dents that are repairable. They only attacked Israel as a retaliation to decapitation of its leadership.
They blew their chance.

Turkey has more serious weapons that can inflict alot more damages to Israel. If Israel tries to pull Iranian type sh1t on Turkey it wont be just symbolic spam attack that puts small dents. It will be eye for an eye. Just because they have a trade with Israel does not mean they are puppet. FYI China and Russia both do trades with Israel.

Pakistan retaliation will not be conventional if Israel tries to pull same sh1t on Pakistan. Dont need to explain what will happen to them.

 

[HRK]

Azerbaijan is not going to join this deal. Syria maybe but even Syria is unlikely for now. Egypt is the next likeliest, it really was surprising that they weren't initially included considering meetings were happening in a quadrilateral format.

Those meeting were not related to this agreement but another agreement related to defense production and R&D.

Pakistan, KSA & Turkey already have a committee on it but that is all no common R&D program or product is available at least in public domain.

 

[Desert]

Iran had a chance to cause some serious long lasting damage to Israel instead it all just turned out to be small dents that are repairable. They only attacked Israel as a retaliation to decapitation of its leadership.
They blew their chance.

Turkey has more serious weapons that can inflict alot more damages to Israel. If Israel tries to pull Iranian type sh1t on Turkey it wont be just symbolic spam attack that puts small dents. It will be eye for an eye. Just because they have a trade with Israel does not mean they are puppet. FYI China and Russia both do trades with Israel.

Pakistan retaliation will not be conventional if Israel tries to pull same sh1t on Pakistan. Dont need to explain what will happen to them.

With all due respect to you as a member here but once Turkey attacks israel once in their history we can discuss how strong Turkey is, other than that , the only countries that attacked israel are ( Egypt-Jordan-Syria-Iran-Lebanon-Iraq-Yemen) and other countries participated with their troops to help us like ( Pakistan for sure - North Korea-Algeria-Cuba-Libya-Sudan-Tunisia-Kuwait and the soviet union).

 

[Desert]

Many people also share the delusion that Saudi Arabia is some source of unlimited funding. They are a very rich country, yes, but they also have huge domestic funding commitments. They are running increasingly larger budget deficits and have had to borrow money. Despite the huge spending, their GDP growth has been anaemic as Vision 2030 has mostly been a failure on the financial front.

They have tried to invest in Tourism , I've been there and saw the infrastructure (which is nice btw) , but most of the tourism is domestic tourism, they have nice natural areas but it's know the European and American tourist are the top when it comes to tourists' spendings , why would a european or american visit Saudia ? for desert ? there are plenty of desert and mountains all over the world , what so special ? I see nothing special , they've invested in the wrong field , if the money spent on tourism was to be spent on something for example( industry) it would have been more useful.

 

[Meengla]

First the "Muslim Nato" are losers.
When the Houthis get sent back to stone age then these Muslim NATO will be called genocidal.
I cannot wait to see you and your kind crying.
The Israelis/jews and Shia are most mad about this , funny that?

TBH, I don't want any one to die in the geopolitical wars. I am of the Jeffrey Sachs school of thought: The global pie is big enough for us all. However, about the 'stone age' part: You just can't send the Houthis and the Afghan Taliban back to the Stone Age because they actually are already there. The guy you responded to is an admirer of the Stone Age people, probably because of Pakistan's domestic politics.

 

[Watandar]

They have tried to invest in Tourism , I've been there and saw the infrastructure (which is nice btw) , but most of the tourism is domestic tourism, they have nice natural areas but it's know the European and American tourist are the top when it comes to tourists' spendings , why would a european or american visit Saudia ? for desert ? there are plenty of desert and mountains all over the world , what so special ? I see nothing special , they've invested in the wrong field , if the money spent on tourism was to be spent on something for example( industry) it would have been more useful.

American/Europeans go to Egyptian Red Sea resorts right ? Saudis thought why don't we build resorts on our side of the Red Sea and then European/Americans will come there too ! So easy !!

They have indeed wasted a giant amount of money in The Line, tourism and trying to become a sports empire. They will have to cutback on some of those extravagances if this pact is indeed about investing heavily in pact-member military industrial complexes.

 

[Desert]

American/Europeans go to Egyptian Red Sea resorts right ? Saudis thought why don't we build resorts on our side of the Red Sea and then European/Americans will come there too ! So easy !!

They have indeed wasted a giant amount of money in The Line, tourism and trying to become a sports empire. They will have to cutback on some of those extravagances if this pact is indeed about investing heavily in pact-member military industrial complexes.

Ya , Egyptian red sea resorts and sinai are filled with europeans especially eastern europeans that they even bought our houses and apartments !!!

I really want Saudia the best but they waste tons of money on stupid things , look at this moron Turki-Alsheikh who spend billions on parties and to bring stupid people to entertain the saudis ( like jennifer lopez or that guy speed or whatever) , they milk the Saudis so bad and it's not just millions but BILLIONS.

I hope this pact is about investing in the military industry , I really hope , that would be useful for the Saudis people and even for all arabs.

 

[HAIDER]

Ya , Egyptian red sea resorts and sinai are filled with europeans especially eastern europeans that they even bought our houses and apartments !!!

I really want Saudia the best but they waste tons of money on stupid things , look at this moron Turki-Alsheikh who spend billions on parties and to bring stupid people to entertain the saudis ( like jennifer lopez or that guy speed or whatever) , they milk the Saudis so bad and it's not just millions but BILLIONS.

I hope this pact is about investing in the military industry , I really hope , that would be useful for the Saudis people and even for all arabs.

Line project was big disaster ...wasted massive wealth ...now its getting smaller and smaller in size.

 

[Owaiz]

They have tried to invest in Tourism , I've been there and saw the infrastructure (which is nice btw) , but most of the tourism is domestic tourism, they have nice natural areas but it's know the European and American tourist are the top when it comes to tourists' spendings , why would a european or american visit Saudia ? for desert ? there are plenty of desert and mountains all over the world , what so special ? I see nothing special , they've invested in the wrong field , if the money spent on tourism was to be spent on something for example( industry) it would have been more useful.

That is the problem with these grand "Vision " -based projects. They look good in PPTs and spreadsheets, but are highly inefficient. Only consultants and middlemen make money from them.

 

[Watandar]

That is the problem with these grand "Vision " -based projects. They look good in PPTs and spreadsheets, but are highly inefficient. Only consultants and middlemen make money from them.

A fool and his money are soon parted.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The Islamic NATO| Dr Nasir Baig​

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[MMM-E]

So let's remove history just because you say so ? let's say it's irrelevant .. alright.

Egypt hasn't fought israel 6 times , Pakistan hasn't participated with its pilots in 1973 against israel , Faisal didn't cut off oil to help Egypt in 1973 etc etc.

but somehow , mighty turkey poses a threat to israel because the zionist entity SAYS SO.

ok good argument bro.

Israel sees Egypt , Lebanon , Syria , S.Arabia and all Arab Countries as cookies

The Arabs dont have advanced defense Industry to pose a threat to Israel


on the other hand , regional super power Turkiye

1-- Advanced defense Industry to produce almost everything from Fighter Jets to hypersonic Ballistic Missiles from Destroyer to Submarine and from Air Defense Systems to stealth UCAVs .. ( over 1400 military projects )

Israel will not be able to withstand the power that Turkiye will create in the near future.


2 -- Well trained armed Forces with NATO standard , a warrior people with a military tradition

and hybrid asymmetric warfare experience


3 -- Military Bases in Syria , Iraq , N.Cyprus , Libya , Qatar , Somalia
there are over 20.000 Turkish soldiers in Syria alone

Turkiye is the country with the second largest number of troops stationed abroad in the world, after the USA

Israel is engaged in a power struggle with Turkey in the region


4 -- Turkiye is a G-20 Country and only industrialized Country in the region

The total number of Organized Industrial Zones across Türkiye has reached 416.

These areas can be used for the production of military ammunition and equipment if needed


5 -- Turkiye has a developing economy with a GDP of $1,64 trillion
almost bigger than Israel+Egypt+Iran+Greece combined ( $1,75 trillion )

Turkiye : $1,64 trillion

Israel : $719 billion
Egypt : $429 billion
Greece : $307 billion
Iran : $300 billion

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Israel’s growing hostality toward Turkiye therefore stems from a wider geopolitical concern, rather than any immediate military threat

Turkiye is everywhere , the Black Sea, the Caucasus, the Balkans , Central Asia, Libya , Somalia , Qatar , the Eastern Mediterranean and the Levant


Israel doesn't even have a playground.