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Saladin was a Turk.

The clue is in his brothers name. And his children names. All Turkic.

He was called a Turk by everyone . up until the Kurds and Arabs wanted to claim him as their own around 1800s(with help by jealous Westerners too).
he was a kurd , oh my , do all arabs and turks here on the forum wanna claim everyone?

the dude arabian says Egypt was arabian or ruled by arabs thousands of years ago and claims salah el din ( who had no connection to modern day saudi) was arab.

and this turk guy claims salah el din was turk.

they will probably say later , the army that defeated the mongols by the led of salah el din was either saudi or turk.

Salah El din was a KURD.
 
he was a kurd , oh my , do all arabs and turks here on the forum wanna claim everyone?

the dude arabian says Egypt was arabian or ruled by arabs thousands of years ago and claims salah el din ( who had no connection to modern day saudi) was arab.

and this turk guy claims salah el din was turk.

they will probably say later , the army that defeated the mongols by the led of salah el din was either saudi or turk.

Salah El din was a KURD.
No contemporary or medieval source ever claimed Saladin was a Kurd. Not one. From Richard the Lionheart to his chroniclers and companions, every European reference identifies Saladin as a Turk... consistently, repeatedly, and without ambiguity. If you believe otherwise, show the source. Until then, the historical record stands.

His brothers had Turkish names. His children are named after Zengid(Turk) rulers.
 
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To be honest, the Mongol calvary was overrated.

The main reason they were unstoppable because they have hired so many Chinese artisans who can build the most advanced firearms during that period.

The Chinese Dynasty only controlled the southern China during that period, and the Mongols controlled the northern China and hired the top-tier Chinese artisans who can build the same technology to attack the Chinese Dynasty in the southern China.

Since the gunpower was invented in China in the 9th century AD and the firearms in 10th century AD, and the Mongols had spread this technology westward in the 13th century AD.

When both Europe and Middle East have mastered the same firearm technology, and you can see suddenly the Mongols had become no longer a threat.
 
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No contemporary or medieval source ever claimed Saladin was a Kurd. Not one. From Richard the Lionheart to his chroniclers and companions, every European reference identifies Saladin as a Turk... consistently, repeatedly, and without ambiguity. If you believe otherwise, show the source. Until then, the historical record stands.

His brothers had Turkish names. His children are named after Zengid(Turk) rulers.
Here are the most authoritative and highly respected historical sources confirming that Saladin was of Kurdish origin. These sources are divided into contemporary medieval Islamic chronicles and modern world-class encyclopedias.

Medieval Islamic Sources (Written by Arab/Muslim Historians)
These are primary sources written by historians who lived during or shortly after Saladin's era. They are universally trusted because they documented history without any modern political bias.
  • Ibn al-Athir (1160–1233 AD)
    • Who he was: One of the most famous Muslim historians in history, who lived during the lifetime of Saladin.
    • The Book: Al-Kamil fi al-Tarikh (The Complete History).
    • The Citation: He explicitly writes that Saladin's family and the Ayyubid dynasty originated from the "Rawadiya Kurds", which was a noble branch of the famous Hadhabani Kurdish tribe.
  • Ibn Khallikan (1211–1282 AD)
    • Who he was: A renowned Muslim judge and biographer known for his extreme precision in tracing family lineages.
    • The Book: Wafayat al-A'yan (Obituaries of Eminent Men).
    • The Citation: He states: "Historians agree that his [Saladin's] father and family belonged to Dvin... and they were Kurds belonging to the Rawadiya tribe."
  • Ibn Khaldun (1332–1406 AD)
    • Who he was: The world-famous Arab sociologist, philosopher, and historian.
    • The Book: Tarikh Ibn Khaldun (The History of Ibn Khaldun).
    • The Citation: In his volumes detailing the Ayyubid Dynasty, he explicitly identifies Saladin and his lineage as part of the Kurdish nation who migrated from the mountains to Mosul, Damascus, and eventually Egypt.


Highly Respected Modern Western Sources

MR ANATOLIA : If you need peer-reviewed global academic references, these are the top standard encyclopedias:
  • Encyclopædia Britannica
    • The Entry: "Saladin | Biography, Achievements, & Facts"
    • The Quote: It opens with: "Saladin, a Kurdish Muslim sultan of Egypt and Syria..."
  • The Encyclopaedia of Islam (Brill Publishing)
    • The Entry: "Ayyubids" & "Salah al-Din"
    • The Verification: This is the most prestigious academic encyclopedia for Islamic history. It fully documents that the Ayyubid family was of Kurdish extraction, completely assimilated into the Arabic-speaking military elite of the time
 
Ambroise — Eyewitness Court Poet (Battle of Arsuf, 1191)

Ambroise, who rode in Richard’s immediate baggage train, documented the exact moment the Crusader army clashed with Saladin’s horse archers. He recorded the visual panic of Saladin’s elite corps using the standard military name for the enemy host.

Source: Ambroise, L'Estoire de la guerre sainte (The History of the Holy War).

"Then did our King pursue them on his swift steed... and the Turks fell before him like leaves from the autumn trees, while Saladin watched from afar, helpless to save his shattered battalions."


Richard de Templo (Richard of Holy Trinity, London)

Active Era: Early 13th Century

Work: Itinerarium Peregrinatorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi (The Itinerary of the Pilgrims and Deeds of King Richard)

Date Written: c. 1220 AD

The Context: Writing as an eyewitness participant or immediate compiler of King Richard the Lionheart’s royal military camp diaries, this London canon routinely defined Saladin's geopolitical domain under a uniform Turkic categorization.

"...because Saladin at that time had occupied the entire region; with the Turks indeed possessing everything..."


Roger of Hoveden (Roger de Houedene)

Roger of Hoveden was an English royal clerk, diplomat, and close adviser to King Henry II and King Richard the Lionheart. He actually traveled to the Mediterranean during the Third Crusade and personally witnessed parts of the campaign, returning to England to write his authoritative Chronica.

Source: Chronica Magistri Rogeri de Houedene, edited by William Stubbs (London, 1870), Vol. III.

On the Battle of Arsuf (1191):Hoveden logs the exact defensive battle formations where Richard’s knights stood off against Saladin's vanguard:

"King Richard, together with the Duke of Burgundy and a chosen body of knights... closely observed the disposition of the Turks (Turcorum perpendens habitudinem)... and when the ranks collided, a dreadful battle was joined."


Hubert Walter (Bishop of Salisbury & Richard's Chief Diplomat)

Hubert Walter was one of the most powerful men in the Crusade camp. He served as King Richard’s primary agent and direct proxy during the tense peace negotiations with Saladin. When the Treaty of Jaffa (1192) was finalized, Richard fell ill, and it was Bishop Hubert Walter whom the King appointed to lead the first official contingent of English pilgrims into Jerusalem.

The Record Context: In the official administrative and clerical summaries logging his diplomatic meetings across the battle lines, Walter detailed his entry into the Holy City under strict military escort.

"He [Hubert Walter] led the first band of pilgrims into Jerusalem... where the Turks (Turci) who guarded the sepulchre received them, and he held a long conference with Saladin himself regarding a lasting truce."


There's more.
 
Ambroise — Eyewitness Court Poet (Battle of Arsuf, 1191)

Ambroise, who rode in Richard’s immediate baggage train, documented the exact moment the Crusader army clashed with Saladin’s horse archers. He recorded the visual panic of Saladin’s elite corps using the standard military name for the enemy host.

Source: Ambroise, L'Estoire de la guerre sainte (The History of the Holy War).

"Then did our King pursue them on his swift steed... and the Turks fell before him like leaves from the autumn trees, while Saladin watched from afar, helpless to save his shattered battalions."


Richard de Templo (Richard of Holy Trinity, London)

Active Era: Early 13th Century

Work: Itinerarium Peregrinatorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi (The Itinerary of the Pilgrims and Deeds of King Richard)

Date Written: c. 1220 AD

The Context: Writing as an eyewitness participant or immediate compiler of King Richard the Lionheart’s royal military camp diaries, this London canon routinely defined Saladin's geopolitical domain under a uniform Turkic categorization.

"...because Saladin at that time had occupied the entire region; with the Turks indeed possessing everything..."


Roger of Hoveden (Roger de Houedene)

Roger of Hoveden was an English royal clerk, diplomat, and close adviser to King Henry II and King Richard the Lionheart. He actually traveled to the Mediterranean during the Third Crusade and personally witnessed parts of the campaign, returning to England to write his authoritative Chronica.

Source: Chronica Magistri Rogeri de Houedene, edited by William Stubbs (London, 1870), Vol. III.

On the Battle of Arsuf (1191):Hoveden logs the exact defensive battle formations where Richard’s knights stood off against Saladin's vanguard:

"King Richard, together with the Duke of Burgundy and a chosen body of knights... closely observed the disposition of the Turks (Turcorum perpendens habitudinem)... and when the ranks collided, a dreadful battle was joined."


Hubert Walter (Bishop of Salisbury & Richard's Chief Diplomat)

Hubert Walter was one of the most powerful men in the Crusade camp. He served as King Richard’s primary agent and direct proxy during the tense peace negotiations with Saladin. When the Treaty of Jaffa (1192) was finalized, Richard fell ill, and it was Bishop Hubert Walter whom the King appointed to lead the first official contingent of English pilgrims into Jerusalem.

The Record Context: In the official administrative and clerical summaries logging his diplomatic meetings across the battle lines, Walter detailed his entry into the Holy City under strict military escort.

"He [Hubert Walter] led the first band of pilgrims into Jerusalem... where the Turks (Turci) who guarded the sepulchre received them, and he held a long conference with Saladin himself regarding a lasting truce."


There's more.
There is no single word in your comment that says Salah el din was turk lol
Wow ,
I really hate debating with Arabs and Turks here.
 
There is no single word in your comment that says Salah el din was turk lol
Wow ,
I really hate debating with Arabs and Turks here.
Richard de Morins (Canon of Dunstable & Crusade Chronicler)

The Contemporary: An English jurist and chronicler who meticulously compiled real-time journals, royal letters, and veteran interviews brought back by English knights returning home from the Third Crusade.

The Date: 1191 AD

The Battle: The fierce vanguard actions fought at the Battle of Arsuf.

"King Richard and the Christians manfully attacked... and Saladin was put to flight along with his army of Turks."

There's so many of these. "King of Turks" Army of Turks". Because errm he was a Turk.

King Richard the Lionheart & The Battle Commanders

The Action: Faced with shifting terms regarding the garrison hostages captured at the Siege of Acre, Richard and his field barons chose to execute the Turkish prisoners when Saladin delayed payment.

The Quote: The official Anglo-Norman chronicle describes the tactical ruthlessness deployed against the Turkish military elite:

"King Richard always hoped to overwhelm the Turks completely... he ordered that two thousand seven hundred of the vanquished Turkish hostages be led out of the city and decapitated."

The Date: August 16–20, 1191 AD.

The Source: Medieval Sourcebook: Itinerarium Peregrinorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi

Desert you done debating?
 
Richard de Morins (Canon of Dunstable & Crusade Chronicler)

The Contemporary: An English jurist and chronicler who meticulously compiled real-time journals, royal letters, and veteran interviews brought back by English knights returning home from the Third Crusade.

The Date: 1191 AD

The Battle: The fierce vanguard actions fought at the Battle of Arsuf.

"King Richard and the Christians manfully attacked... and Saladin was put to flight along with his army of Turks."

There's so many of these. "King of Turks" Army of Turks". Because errm he was a Turk.

King Richard the Lionheart & The Battle Commanders

The Action: Faced with shifting terms regarding the garrison hostages captured at the Siege of Acre, Richard and his field barons chose to execute the Turkish prisoners when Saladin delayed payment.

The Quote: The official Anglo-Norman chronicle describes the tactical ruthlessness deployed against the Turkish military elite:

"King Richard always hoped to overwhelm the Turks completely... he ordered that two thousand seven hundred of the vanquished Turkish hostages be led out of the city and decapitated."

The Date: August 16–20, 1191 AD.

The Source: Medieval Sourcebook: Itinerarium Peregrinorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi

Desert you done debating?
WHERE THE F*** DO THEY SAY HE IS A TURK?

i brought you sources (real sources during his time) that says he was a kurd and you didn't bring 1 source that says he is turk
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you say (
There's so many of these. "King of Turks" Army of Turks". Because errm he was a Turk.)

Ok Muhammed Ali was Egyptian not Albanian because he ruled egypt and was king of Egyptians and invaded Turkey. LOOOOL
 
WHERE THE F*** DO THEY SAY HE IS A TURK?

i brought you sources (real sources during his time) that says he was a kurd and you didn't bring 1 source that says he is turk
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you say (
There's so many of these. "King of Turks" Army of Turks". Because errm he was a Turk.)

Ok Muhammed Ali was Egyptian not Albanian because he ruled egypt and was king of Egyptians and invaded Turkey. LOOOOL
Ibn al-Athir belonged to the Shayban lineage of the large and influential Arab tribe Banu Bakr,< He is also described to have been of Kurdish origin.

Your "source" is a Kurd/Arab.

In the analysis of Sharafnama , historian Naji Ma'ruf notes that its author, Emir Sharaf Khan Bidlisi, explicitly identified a number of scholars and families of Arab origin, stating their lineage without ambiguity. However, in the Arabic translation of the work, these same individuals are often presented in a way that may lead readers to assume they were Kurds, despite the original text confirming their Arab heritage. According to Ma'ruf, Arabs constitute more than half of the figures mentioned in Sharafnama, even though the work primarily concerns the history of Kurdish states and emirates. As an example, Ma'ruf cites the historian Ibn al-Athir al-Jazari and his brothers Diyā' ad-Dīn Ibn Athir and Majd ad-Dīn Ibn Athir, who, according to all major Arabic biographical sources, were Arabs of the Banu Shayban tribe. In the translator’s footnotes to the Arabic edition, Ibn al-Athir is described as Kurdish, a claim that is unfounded and contrary to Sharaf Khan's own statements.

Do not trust every source my guy.
 
too much talking and writing , Egypt is originally arabian now? u r a moron and i'm sorry to say that , stupid. if you gonna keep spread BS lies about Egypt again am gonna report you.

there were no saudi arabians before 1900 so please can you put your racism outside this forum because we aren't ignorant .

numbers of saudi citizens are 19 millions btw not 35.

Kurd word derieved from the sumerian word kur or the persian kwart which means the bedoiuns ( bedouins doesn't mean arabs all time , there can be bedouins in europe or asia or africa).
Are you retarded or just a troll? Do you know the difference between modern day nationalities (Saudi Arabian, Egyptian etc.) and ancient groups of peoples? Or even know anything about DNA?

It is a fact that Semitic dynasties (predecessors of Arabs) originally from Arabia, Sham and Mesopotamia ruled Egypt many thousands of years ago.


And DNA (modern-day) confirms that ancient Egyptians had more Middle Eastern DNA and that Egyptians today have more African (Black ancestry).


Later Arabs ruled Egypt for 500 + years, settled it heavily (there were many Arabs in pre-Islamic times in Egypt - Sinai is purely Arab mostly and much of Eastern Egypt) and Arabized it for the reasons that I wrote and with the Egyptians happily accepting it.

The number is close to 30 million nowadays. There have been no official censuses. There are many more foreigners than the official numbers as well.

I don't care about the origin of the word. The point was that it was used to describe nomads.

And it does not matter because Salah ad-Din was fully Arabized, the Ayyubids today are fully Arabs and his dynasty was fully Arabized - the language of the court and empire was Arabic, his titles (Sultan) and so was everything else. Most of his soldiers too.

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Want more sources, troll?

Fully Arabized, born on Arab soil (Tikrit),, Muslim, his dynasty embraced Arab culture and kept Arab titles, language and everything else Arab and his descendants today are Arabs.


Even his name is Arab, lol.

And no, Arabs do not need to claim him.

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Now go argue with CHATGPT and claim that they are pro-Arab as well despite mostly being run by Jews.:ROFLMAO:

Ottomans were Arabs too using that logic , since they had Arab names too?

But I've not met any Arabs use Turkish names... I guess Saladin's family was the first?
 

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