Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Professor Jiang]

Usa is a superpower nation, they fought 100+ wars. They will not back off from Iran unless Iran shows them they can defend themselves and cause a big harm to western interests. At the moment whatever Iran is doing is not enough, Usa will keep attacking Iran, destroying its military and economy until Iran folds.

How did every other empire in history fall in that case? Why is the US so special that it can sustain its own imperial project indefinitely without consequence?

 

[Immortals]

It seems the U.S. will be HEAVILY bombing Iran after the mid terms. Trump wants to avoid rocking the boat before then to avoid hurting his parties chances any more than he already has.

But after mid terms, Trump is a free unchained man to do whatever he wishes with no political repercussions

 

[MS Sandhu]

How did every other empire in history fall in that case? Why is the US so special that it can sustain its own imperial project indefinitely without consequence?

I think US would remain Dominant Superpower throughout this century. China, even if it starts today will not be able to match the US' global military footprint in another 100 years.
And to be honest, Chinese aren't even interested in countering American posture for whatever reason and you have no other country in sight that can challenge the American global reach - militarily & economically.

So your best bet is to have doomsday option against America or just playalong.

 

[PakAl]

How did every other empire in history fall in that case? Why is the US so special that it can sustain its own imperial project indefinitely without consequence?

Because USA is not alone, as long as Usa has EU, Nato, American nations, GCC, Quad as strategic allies they will stay superpower.

 

[Immortals]

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[Professor Jiang]

Because USA is not alone, as long as Usa has EU, Nato, American nations, GCC, Quad as strategic allies they will stay superpower.

The EU is currently on its knees, with many states wanting out. Nato doesn't want to get involved in this conflict, and has for a long time basically acted as a free-rider on the back of American hard power which is now being tested. GCC is fractured, not least due to UAE becoming a complete surrogate for Israel, and this war having proved how precarious the economic situation is in Gulf states.

Beyond that: nobody wants to copy the American political model, it is almost universally hated in the world, its economy is built on rigged markets and bullshit, you cannot go to a public place without risking being shot at by some psychopath, and people are increasingly incapable of having basic necessities like healthcare or housing.

Does this sound like an empire that will make it to 1000 years old?

 

[Professor Jiang]

I think US would remain Dominant Superpower throughout this century. China, even if it starts today will not be able to match the US' global military footprint in another 100 years.
And to be honest, Chinese aren't even interested in countering American posture for whatever reason and you have no other country in sight that can challenge the American global reach - militarily & economically.

So your best bet is to have doomsday option against America or just playalong.

I don't think the US necessarily needs a direct challenger like the Soviet Union to fail. It's doing a good enough job right now speedrunning its descent into unbridled fascism and a future civil war. Add to this the incapacity of its political class to think beyond enriching themselves financially or protecting Israel politically and militarily (let alone all the weird Epstein shit they're into) and you've got the recipe for disaster.

Empires don't only fall because they receive some kind of knockout blow from a rising power. It's often a death of a thousand cuts, enabled by elites taking decisions as though their empire will last forever.

Anyway, I feel this is getting too esoteric for this thread, so will return to the topic.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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thought this was last week's narrative

are they going to say it every week?

 

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[Immortals]

thought this was last week's narrative

are they going to say it every week?

Xi the Appeaser is coming to America in Sept. Likely going to secure another back room deal to help America weather the war and screw Iran in the process. Maybe China decides to reduce trade with Iran in exchange for something they want behind the scenes from America.

The China glazing will likely continue on here as people still think that China has any desire to stand against Western world order.

 

[GWXP]

Iran closed the Strait of Hormuz and says it will open it if:
1) US removes sanctions.
2) US unfreezes Iranian assets.
3) US recognizes Iran's control of the Strait.

If US does it, this means US was defeated in the war against Iran and Iran emerged victorious.

What US can do to force Iran to open the Strait:
1) bomb Iran's powerplants and bridges - but if US does it, Iran will destroy oil facilities of the Gulf countries and this will do enormous damage to US and global economy.
2) occupy Iranian territory around the Strait of Hormuz by US Marine Corp and forcibly open the Strait - but such an operation can result in huge casualties and can end in defeat just like Israel's ground assault in south Lebanon.
3) impose a naval blockade of Iran to hurt Iran's economy until Iran opens the Strait- but Iran is much more resilient than US - as long as Strait of Hormuz is closed, US Strategic Petroleum Reserves will continue eroding and with low Strategic Petroleum Reserves oil prices will scyrocket and this will do enormous damage to US economy. Iranian system is much more resilient to economic pressure than US democracy and Iran can outlast US blockade for longer time, than US can outlast high oil prices.
4) accept Iranian demands, lift sanctions, unfreeze Iranian assets and accept defacto Iranian control of the Strait, which means US accepts its defeat in a war and Iran is victorious.

Seems like idiotic Trump decided to put the option #3 into practice, before he is forced to accept the option #4....

 

[BHAN85]

PBS.org is a private corporation based in US which means it cannot be trustworthy in case of Iranian related issues esp when it comes to sensitive issues of Iran.

Now we have to analyse your sick words about Iran's current leader. You and American sources have claimed of him being present in western countries doing deal with west LMAO.

First of all, he was an IRGC member, because of this fact, he cannot go outside the country, roam and sign deals with corrupt western countries.

He could not have traveled to Western countries freely because he had previously been a member of the IRGC and had served in many sensitive government institutions. In Iran, there is a regulation under which anyone who has held even a relatively minor government position must submit an official departure form to their respective organization before leaving the country, and an arrival form upon returning.

In this particular case, the alleged destinations were Western countries that have traditionally been hostile toward Iran. Therefore, anyone who traveled to such countries for unauthorized reasons—especially someone who himself held senior government positions—would likely be placed on a watchlist of individuals suspected of espionage or working for foreign powers.

In principle, Iran's Supreme Leader, as the country's highest authority, is regarded as one of the foremost opponents of Western and U.S. hegemony. Given all of these circumstances, only a fool could believe that the son of Iran's Supreme Leader traveled to the West to conduct a deal with Western countries without the knowledge of other senior Iranian officials.

pbs is not a private corporation, it's the main public television of usa.

and of course, they can't be trusted in iran affairs.

like it can't be trusted anything else coming from there, including official famous dissidents voices, who only achieved notoriety because they are useful to usa agenda in some way (like zeroedge crappy blog)

 

[BHAN85]

Iran closed the Strait of Hormuz and says it will open it if:
1) US removes sanctions.
2) US unfreezes Iranian assets.
3) US recognizes Iran's control of the Strait.

If US does it, this means US was defeated in the war against Iran and Iran emerged victorious.

What US can do to force Iran to open the Strait:
1) bomb Iran's powerplants and bridges - but if US does it, Iran will destroy oil facilities of the Gulf countries and this will do enormous damage to US and global economy.
2) occupy Iranian territory around the Strait of Hormuz by US Marine Corp and forcibly open the Strait - but such an operation can result in huge casualties and can end in defeat just like Israel's ground assault in south Lebanon.
3) impose a naval blockade of Iran to hurt Iran's economy until Iran opens the Strait- but Iran is much more resilient than US - as long as Strait of Hormuz is closed, US Strategic Petroleum Reserves will continue eroding and with low Strategic Petroleum Reserves oil prices will scyrocket and this will do enormous damage to US economy. Iranian system is much more resilient to economic pressure than US democracy and Iran can outlast US blockade for longer time, than US can outlast high oil prices.
4) accept Iranian demands, lift sanctions, unfreeze Iranian assets and accept defacto Iranian control of the Strait, which means US accepts its defeat in a war and Iran is victorious.

Seems like idiotic Trump decided to put the option #3 into practice, before he is forced to accept the option #4....

if usa gives huge amounts of money (unfreezing, removing sanctions or whatever) to iran, israel will attack even alone.

the zone is doomed.

and gcc is doomed trusting usa for iran war like europe is doomed trusting usa for ukraine war.

gcc is like the victim of a scam who doesnt want to wake up and thinks giving more money to american scammer they will avoid the scam.

their only salvation is to say f off to usa.

 

[Flotilla]

It seems the U.S. will be HEAVILY bombing Iran after the mid terms. Trump wants to avoid rocking the boat before then to avoid hurting his parties chances any more than he already has.

But after mid terms, Trump is a free unchained man to do whatever he wishes with no political repercussions

Unfortunately It is true.
I hope Irán has tested a nuclear device.
They will harass iranians forever if Irán doesn't stop them.