At least 14 newborn babies killed after fire breaks out in Pakistan hospital

[Watandar]

Lmaoo You're deranged buddy.

Scrub through the last 20 years and there hasn't been a tragedy of this scale in any military run CMH hospitals. Lekin tumhari gand mai toh ungal hai to politicise random issues.

I've worked in all hospitals and government hospitals across the country are in shambles. They're just waiting in turn for their next tragedy to strike. Healthcare isn't taken seriously by any government in Pakistan.

CMH serves the armed forces, the rulers of the country since 1958, whereas government hospitals are for the general public aka the bloody civilians. The population pool the well-resourced CMH serves is miniscule compared to what the poorly resourced public hospitals have to serve. If a bloody civilian with money goes to CMH, they are still put at the back of the line and no poor man will be tolerated at CMH or in private hospitals.

This is the unjust system whose praises you are singing.

I was being paid Rs. 45,000 during my house job, and even that was nowhere near enough. Junior Doctors today are still being paid around Rs. 70,000, which barely covers basic living and commuting costs. At one point, my salary barely covered my fuel.

So don't lecture staff about some imaginary obligation to risk their lives. I had a duty to my patients, but I also had a duty to stay alive.

Most of the staff did what they could under the circumstances. Everything beyond that is hearsay from people who weren't even there.

And here's the part people conveniently ignore: the people running these hospitals at the top are often political appointments under the civilian system you defend so passionately. They control the administration, staffing, resources, and safety standards, while junior doctors are left underpaid, overworked, and expected to take the blame when the system fails.

So if you want accountability, look up the chain of command. Don't dump the failures of an entire hospital system onto the junior doctors standing at the bottom of it.

Who are you to dispute actual witnesses and victims at the scene ?

Your doctor pay in Pakistan and then whatever big bucks you must now be making in America are nothing compared to the pain of parents who lost their newborns in a hospital fire due to the negligence and cowardice of the staff. For you to even speak like this indicates a narcissistic personality.

And FYI this particular institution, PIMS, has also been taken over by the army in its long encroachment into everything outside of its domain. Why else do you think PIMS was selected to sabotage a recent Supreme Court ruling ?

Army officers to take charge of Pims, Polyclinic hospitals in Islamabad

Senior Pims official terms move "unfortunate", says it will force doctors to quit.

www.dawn.com

Govt collaborates with army to fill leadership void at PIMS, Polyclinic

Islamabad: The Ministry of National Health Services has sought assistance from the Pakistan Army Medical Corps to address leadership vacancies at Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences and Federal...

www.thenews.com.pk

 

[Mobius]

 

[Waterboy]

CMH serves the armed forces, the rulers of the country since 1958, whereas government hospitals are for the general public aka the bloody civilians. The population pool the well-resourced CMH serves is miniscule compared to what the poorly resourced public hospitals have to serve. If a bloody civilian with money goes to CMH, they are still put at the back of the line and no poor man will be tolerated at CMH or in private hospitals.

This is the unjust system whose praises you are singing.


Who are you to dispute actual witnesses and victims at the scene ?

Your doctor pay in Pakistan and then whatever big bucks you must now be making in America are nothing compared to the pain of parents who lost their newborns in a hospital fire due to the negligence and cowardice of the staff. For you to even speak like this indicates a narcissistic personality.

And FYI this particular institution, PIMS, has also been taken over by the army in its long encroachment into everything outside of its domain. Why else do you think PIMS was selected to sabotage a recent Supreme Court ruling ?

Army officers to take charge of Pims, Polyclinic hospitals in Islamabad

Senior Pims official terms move "unfortunate", says it will force doctors to quit.

www.dawn.com

Govt collaborates with army to fill leadership void at PIMS, Polyclinic

Islamabad: The Ministry of National Health Services has sought assistance from the Pakistan Army Medical Corps to address leadership vacancies at Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences and Federal...

www.thenews.com.pk

Bhai the volume at CMH rawalpindi is insane and way more compared to PIMS. But the difference is majority of officers including generals are treated at CMH, so they've maintained those standards. Where as majority of our civilian cadre end up abroad including chutyias from PMLN, and PPP. Like someone said you won't give a shit about healthcare until you utilise it.

Btw CMH serves around 70% civilian population. That's how they also generate funds. You overseas lot are just deranged fucks tbh peddling propaganda 24/7. The issues with government hospitals is just the casual stance of our government. They just don't give a shitt.

 

[El Sidd]

Heart wrenching incident. Words cannot do justice to emotions expressed by such horrific realities of life in the Vaterland.

 

[Watandar]

Bhai the volume at CMH rawalpindi is insane and way more compared to PIMS. But the difference is majority of officers including generals are treated at CMH, so they've maintained those standards. Where as majority of our civilian cadre end up abroad including chutyias from PMLN, and PPP. Like someone said you won't give a shit about healthcare until you utilise it.

Btw CMH serves around 70% civilian population. That's how they also generate funds. You overseas lot are just deranged fucks tbh peddling propaganda 24/7. The issues with government hospitals is just the casual stance of our government. They just don't give a shitt.

Who is ruling the country now ? Is it the "government" or is it the army ? It is the army, which stole the public's mandate and installed this government.

Are you capable of understanding that ?

CMH serves this same army hence it is well staffed and resourced. Meanwhile PIMS is meant for the general public, no General or Brigadier goes there for treatment hence it is under-resourced. This healthcare system is by design.

By the way PIMS is also run by the army now (so that deputed army people can pocket two salaries). Your claims about it being a purely civilian institution are incorrect.

 

[Mobius]

 

[Goenitz]

And here's the part people conveniently ignore: the people running these hospitals at the top are often political appointments under the civilian system you defend so passionately

No. All are lackeys of the top, in one way or another.

 

[brazensword]

Qualified cadre of Medical core can't even manage a hospital

 

[BHAN85]

Fire detection and alarm system cost is less $10 per room.

I hope nobody will forget again the importance of that.

 

[brazensword]

Fire detection and alarm system cost is less $10 per room.

I hope nobody will forget again the importance of that.

You think the larpers at the top care? Its 15 dead today and there will be more in the future. Nothing changes in this country.

 

[BHAN85]

You think the larpers at the top care? Its 15 dead today and there will be more in the future. Nothing changes in this country.

We are talking about $10, not $10 bilions.

Even common people can donate money to such fire detection and alarm systems.

 

[brazensword]

We are talking about $10, not $10 bilions.

Even common people can donate money to such systems.

State cannot run on such shenanigans. If the state cannot provide a framework for society then better to tear up the constitution.

 

[BHAN85]

State cannot run on such shenanigans. If the state cannot provide a framework for society then better to tear up the constitution.

That speech doesnt help to avoid future troubles, it only creates more troubles.

Donations to public hospital is a common thing everywhere since the beginning of hospitals.

 

[Waterboy]

Who is ruling the country now ? Is it the "government" or is it the army ? It is the army, which stole the public's mandate and installed this government.

Are you capable of understanding that ?

CMH serves this same army hence it is well staffed and resourced. Meanwhile PIMS is meant for the general public, no General or Brigadier goes there for treatment hence it is under-resourced. This healthcare system is by design.

By the way PIMS is also run by the army now (so that deputed army people can pocket two salaries). Your claims about it being a purely civilian institution are incorrect.

I genuinely don't understand how you have convinced yourself that “the army has political power” = “the army personally runs every civilian hospital.”

By your logic:

PIMS is dysfunctional? Army.
Doctors are underpaid? Army.
Civilian administrators fail? Army.
Procurement fails? Army.
Hospitals in Sindh reuse syringes and spread HIV? Army.
A civilian doctor makes a clinical mistake? Army somehow.

At this point, the military isn't a political institution in your argument. It's your explanation for literally everything.

I've actually worked across different healthcare institutions. The reality is far less exciting: Pakistan's healthcare system is neglected, badly managed, chronically underfunded and routinely treats doctors like disposable labor. That problem exists across civilian institutions regardless of whatever political theory you have constructed in your head, and whatever political party has been in power.

And here's the simplest test:

Remove the military from politics tomorrow. Would PIMS suddenly become functional?

Would the same bureaucracy disappear?
Would incompetent administrators suddenly become competent?
Would political appointments stop?
Would doctors suddenly get properly paid?
Would procurement suddenly work?
Would hospitals in Sindh suddenly stop reusing syringes?

Obviously fucking not.

So if you are blaming the military for a specific death, show the specific military decision that caused it. Not “they rule the country,” not “CMH is better,” not “the government was installed by them.”

Show the causal chain.

Otherwise you're not doing healthcare accountability. You're taking every failure in Pakistan, putting an Army sticker on it, and calling the investigation finished.

And the funniest part is that you're making this argument while claiming to understand healthcare. You should know better than anyone that a hospital doesn't stop being a civilian institution simply because the country's political system is dysfunctional.

If your entire explanation for a neonatal death is “the army rules Pakistan,” then you haven't identified the cause of the death. You've just identified the political enemy you wanted to blame before you ever looked at the hospital. If military personnel are deputed to PIMS, that does not mean the Army suddenly runs every department, controls every civilian employee, or is responsible for every clinical outcome. Deputation is not the same thing as operational ownership.

 

[Watandar]

PIMS authorities closed the gates of the hospital after the fire broke out. This also caused delays to fire brigade trying to get in.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/26/asia/pakistan-newborns-hospital-fire-intl-hnk