Bangladesh plans $2.2b purchase of 20 Chinese J-10 fighter jets

[Bengal71]

There is no fixed rule for how many jets to be in a squadron. It could be anything from 10 to 12 to 16 to 18 to 24.





All 20 jets will be combat capable.

They make two squadron of 10 aircrafts each.

1 to replace an older squadron.

Another one will be brand new squadron.

Typically BAF squadrons consist of 16 jets. F-7s and Yak-130. JL-8 these were all 16 aircraft squadron. Though some of them has crashed reducing the number.

Which is why 32 units would've made more sense. In fact I am in favour of getting 100 or so.

 

[Bengal71]

16 jets in operation. 4 Additional units to fasten the OCU Training, since being an completely different aircraft platform, demand for OCU will be higher.

16 in peacetime, 18 at high alert levels.

20 jets will do fvck all in a war. What's the availability rate? Even one of the most reliable aircraft, the F-16 has an availability rate of 50-60%. So at any given time even a 80% availability rate will yield only 16 aircraft, what kind of sortie rate can we generate with that number and how many days can we hold? 20 is a piss poor cheapskate number, should be 100-150, despite the cost issue, reality remains a reality.

 

[Bengal71]

According to this article , it is is Section 6, Annex III

"Bangladesh will have to increase the purchase of military equipment from the US while reducing purchases from other countries (Section 6, Annex III)."

Why the trade agreement with the US is problematic

No other South Asian country that has been subjected to reciprocal tariffs has signed such an agreement with the US so far.

www.thedailystar.net

Ok, we can buy helis, hercules or bradley or something like that. Nothing burger.

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

Doesn't Bangladesh's trade deal with the US signed by the Yunus government include a provision that Bangladesh will buy more defence equipment from the US and stop buying from China ?

According to this article , it is is Section 6, Annex III

"Bangladesh will have to increase the purchase of military equipment from the US while reducing purchases from other countries (Section 6, Annex III)."

Why the trade agreement with the US is problematic

No other South Asian country that has been subjected to reciprocal tariffs has signed such an agreement with the US so far.

www.thedailystar.net

No worries, our foreign ministers are well versed in the art of making deals.

 

[Owaiz]

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No worries, our foreign ministers are well versed in the art of making deals.

Let us see if the US will count Biman planes as defense equipment if Bangladesh actually signs a contract to buy J-10s. I will believe it when I see it.

 

[Afif]

Let us see if the US will count Biman planes as defense equipment if Bangladesh actually signs a contract to buy J-10s. I will believe it when I see it.

Dude, read the section of the deal you cited again. It is indefinite language. Increasing defense purchase form USA and reducing (not stopping) from other certain actors is relative in amount.

BD could still go for Western options (will likely) for ships and submarines. US ambassador actually talks about the fact US capabilities might not always be suited for the need of country like Bangladesh. So they intend to offer/persue Bangladesh to buy allied options in such case.

Also, sections of the deal itself is amendable according the deal itself.

And new government might amend some sections upon negotiation.

 

[Owaiz]

Dude, read the section of the deal you cited again. It is indefinite language. Increasing defense purchase form USA and reducing (not stopping) from other certain actors is relative in amount.

BD could still go for Western options (will likely) for ships and submarines. US ambassador actually talks about the fact US capabilities might not always be suited for the need of country like Bangladesh. So they intend to offer/persue Bangladesh to buy allied options in such case.

Sure, but I don't think they will consider J-10s to be an allied option. The "certain countries " reference is mainly to China, Russia, North Korea and Iran.

 

[Afif]

Sure, but I don't think they will consider J-10s to be an allied option. The "certain countries " reference is mainly to China, Russia, North Korea and Iran.

As I said, section 6 of the deal says to reduce purchase from certain countries. Not to stop them. Because such demand is not realistic.

And very likely we will buy J10CE.

 

[Michael]

Why 20 exactly?

This is a very interesting topic, but it doesn't attract much attention.

In modern times, the organization of the world's militaries is not entirely uniform, but it is mainly divided into the Western (NATO) system and the Soviet/Russian system. Of course, in earlier times, the two actually had many similarities. The former's primary focus was rapid response in small- to medium-scale wars, while the latter's primary focus was large-scale warfare.

Due to their different focuses, their weapon systems have undergone many subtle changes during development.

For example: how many fighter jets correspond to one ground maintenance unit? How many combat units can a command center mobilize? What is the scale of its corresponding logistical support system, etc.? This is a very complex and massive systems engineering project, not simply a matter of arbitrarily determining the number of fighter jets.

Generally, if country A purchases fighter jets designed and manufactured by country B, then adopting country B's air force organizational structure is the most efficient choice for country A. Its corresponding systems are optimally adapted. However, in reality, this is usually unlikely. Therefore, when exporting fighter jets, producing countries typically make adjustments to their maintenance and support systems to suit their customers. But the optimal parameters remain those adapted to the country of origin's organizational structure.

South Asian countries generally use Western organizational structures. Therefore, 20 J-10CEs constitute a basic unit. The Uzbek Air Force uses a Soviet/Russian organizational structure, and the PLAAF itself is a derivative of this system. Therefore, the Uzbek Air Force procured 24 J-10CEs as a basic unit. This is completely consistent with the PLAAF's organizational structure.

 

[Aziqbal]

Well done Bangladesh

Pakistan get your finger out and get the number of J10CP to 72 units

What the hell is it with this 20 number !

 

[Ali_Baba]

20 jets will do fvck all in a war. What's the availability rate? Even one of the most reliable aircraft, the F-16 has an availability rate of 50-60%. So at any given time even a 80% availability rate will yield only 16 aircraft, what kind of sortie rate can we generate with that number and how many days can we hold? 20 is a piss poor cheapskate number, should be 100-150, despite the cost issue, reality remains a reality.

a) Once those 20 are in place, and pilots and infrastructure is in place, repeat orders can be placed to increase the size of the fleet. No one (except the USA/China) orders planes in units of 100-150. Orders are placed in batches.

b) there is no news that Bangladesh has decided to increase the size of the airforce to the levels you suggest, as most this is fleet replenishment exercise and nothing else.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Well done Bangladesh

Pakistan get your finger out and get the number of J10CP to 72 units

What the hell is it with this 20 number !

Let me fix that for you

Well done Bangladesh

Pakistan, get you finger our and get the number of J-35AE's to 50.

What the hell is with this 0 number !

 

[Bengal71]

Let me fix that for you

Well done Bangladesh

Pakistan, get you finger our and get the number of J-35AE's to 50.

What the hell is with this 0 number !

Even with J-35, you still need 70-80 J-10CE, maybe even more. 4.5 gen will remain relevant for far longer than we can imagine.