Bengal71
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Which is why 32 units would've made more sense. In fact I am in favour of getting 100 or so.
Bangladesh plans $2.2b purchase of 20 Chinese J-10 fighter jets
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Which is why 32 units would've made more sense. In fact I am in favour of getting 100 or so.
Bengal71
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20 jets will do fvck all in a war. What's the availability rate? Even one of the most reliable aircraft, the F-16 has an availability rate of 50-60%. So at any given time even a 80% availability rate will yield only 16 aircraft, what kind of sortie rate can we generate with that number and how many days can we hold? 20 is a piss poor cheapskate number, should be 100-150, despite the cost issue, reality remains a reality.
Bengal71
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According to this article , it is is Section 6, Annex III
"Bangladesh will have to increase the purchase of military equipment from the US while reducing purchases from other countries (Section 6, Annex III)."
Why the trade agreement with the US is problematic
No other South Asian country that has been subjected to reciprocal tariffs has signed such an agreement with the US so far.www.thedailystar.net
Ok, we can buy helis, hercules or bradley or something like that. Nothing burger.
AbuShalehRumi
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According to this article , it is is Section 6, Annex III
"Bangladesh will have to increase the purchase of military equipment from the US while reducing purchases from other countries (Section 6, Annex III)."
Why the trade agreement with the US is problematic
No other South Asian country that has been subjected to reciprocal tariffs has signed such an agreement with the US so far.
No worries, our foreign ministers are well versed in the art of making deals.
Owaiz
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Let us see if the US will count Biman planes as defense equipment if Bangladesh actually signs a contract to buy J-10s. I will believe it when I see it.
Dude, read the section of the deal you cited again. It is indefinite language. Increasing defense purchase form USA and reducing (not stopping) from other certain actors is relative in amount.
BD could still go for Western options (will likely) for ships and submarines. US ambassador actually talks about the fact US capabilities might not always be suited for the need of country like Bangladesh. So they intend to offer/persue Bangladesh to buy allied options in such case.
Also, sections of the deal itself is amendable according the deal itself.
And new government might amend some sections upon negotiation.
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Owaiz
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Sure, but I don't think they will consider J-10s to be an allied option. The "certain countries " reference is mainly to China, Russia, North Korea and Iran.
As I said, section 6 of the deal says to reduce purchase from certain countries. Not to stop them. Because such demand is not realistic.
And very likely we will buy J10CE.
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Michael
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This is a very interesting topic, but it doesn't attract much attention.
In modern times, the organization of the world's militaries is not entirely uniform, but it is mainly divided into the Western (NATO) system and the Soviet/Russian system. Of course, in earlier times, the two actually had many similarities. The former's primary focus was rapid response in small- to medium-scale wars, while the latter's primary focus was large-scale warfare.
Due to their different focuses, their weapon systems have undergone many subtle changes during development.
For example: how many fighter jets correspond to one ground maintenance unit? How many combat units can a command center mobilize? What is the scale of its corresponding logistical support system, etc.? This is a very complex and massive systems engineering project, not simply a matter of arbitrarily determining the number of fighter jets.
Generally, if country A purchases fighter jets designed and manufactured by country B, then adopting country B's air force organizational structure is the most efficient choice for country A. Its corresponding systems are optimally adapted. However, in reality, this is usually unlikely. Therefore, when exporting fighter jets, producing countries typically make adjustments to their maintenance and support systems to suit their customers. But the optimal parameters remain those adapted to the country of origin's organizational structure.
South Asian countries generally use Western organizational structures. Therefore, 20 J-10CEs constitute a basic unit. The Uzbek Air Force uses a Soviet/Russian organizational structure, and the PLAAF itself is a derivative of this system. Therefore, the Uzbek Air Force procured 24 J-10CEs as a basic unit. This is completely consistent with the PLAAF's organizational structure.
Ali_Baba
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a) Once those 20 are in place, and pilots and infrastructure is in place, repeat orders can be placed to increase the size of the fleet. No one (except the USA/China) orders planes in units of 100-150. Orders are placed in batches.
b) there is no news that Bangladesh has decided to increase the size of the airforce to the levels you suggest, as most this is fleet replenishment exercise and nothing else.
Ali_Baba
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Let me fix that for you
Well done Bangladesh
Pakistan, get you finger our and get the number of J-35AE's to 50.
What the hell is with this 0 number !
Bengal71
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Let me fix that for you
Well done Bangladesh
Pakistan, get you finger our and get the number of J-35AE's to 50.
What the hell is with this 0 number !
Even with J-35, you still need 70-80 J-10CE, maybe even more. 4.5 gen will remain relevant for far longer than we can imagine.
Destranator
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*J7s will continue to decommission themselves in phases.
Ali_Baba
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J10CE was purchased solely for air-to-air supremacy in the PAF to offset the Rafale and the Meteor missile, we have not seen the J10CE with any other types of munitions in PAF service, only the PL-15E's. They are a niche force right now.
There is nothing that the J10CE can do, that the J-35AE cannot do and it has the advantage of being the focus of PLAAF development focus for the next 30 years of upgrades and enhancements. The J10CE is a dead-end platform, there is no planned J10CE Block 2 or a J10D on the roadmap and it will start the process of being phased out of PLAAF service to be replaced by the J-35AE.
PAF needs to be a Tier #1 airforce, and the J-35AE will help that.
JF17C Block III / ( and planned Block IV ) can fill in the needs of a 4.5 gen force for the PAF.
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