PAF J-10CE News Updates and Discussions part ll

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[rafale]

Who thinks Pakistan has a big role to play in negotiating J-10CEs for Uzbeks and Bangladesh?

Cannot be a conincidence.

 

[White Privilege]

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Please get those precious AWACS their HASs too, enclose their existing hangars in a HAS structure like this....

 

[Oscar]

Who thinks Pakistan has a big role to play in negotiating J-10CEs for Uzbeks and Bangladesh?

Cannot be a conincidence.

negotiating or providing a customer proof story?
I think you may be using the wrong term.

 

[Deino]

Who thinks Pakistan has a big role to play in negotiating J-10CEs for Uzbeks and Bangladesh?

Cannot be a conincidence.

In fact none! All so far reached export contracts have been signed long before that event! As such, this resulted maybe in some renewed interest since then but IMO more how the public receives Chinese weapons!

 

[Death_Zone]

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A really beautifull jet.

 

[EgoKaempfer]

In fact none! All so far reached export contracts have been signed long before that event! As such, this resulted maybe in some renewed interest since then but IMO more how the public receives Chinese weapons!

IMO Sauerkraut.

The May 2025 skirmish did not create the Uzbek or Bangladeshi requirements, those already existed.

Uzbekistan: Its J-10CE deal was publicly confirmed in July 2025, only a few months after the May clashes. However, procurement discussions and negotiations would almost certainly have started earlier.
Bangladesh: Began discussions with China in March 2025, before the skirmish.
The actual battlefield claims remain disputed, so “combat-proven” should be treated as a major marketing and perception effect - totally agree.

But saying it had NO impact at all; well this is precisely what marketing professionals aim to measure: the direct impact of advertising campaigns on sales performance. CAC's input regarding stock price, additional RFIs etc. would be nice.

In short: minor or unproven impact for Uzbekistan's J-10CE purchase; probably a meaningful accelerant for Bangladesh.

 

[Deino]

IMO Sauerkraut.

The May 2025 skirmish did not create the Uzbek or Bangladeshi requirements, those already existed.

Uzbekistan: Its J-10CE deal was publicly confirmed in July 2025, only a few months after the May clashes. However, procurement discussions and negotiations would almost certainly have started earlier.
Bangladesh: Began discussions with China in March 2025, before the skirmish.
The actual battlefield claims remain disputed, so “combat-proven” should be treated as a major marketing and perception effect - totally agree.

But saying it had NO impact at all; well this is precisely what marketing professionals aim to measure: the direct impact of advertising campaigns on sales performance. CAC's input regarding stock price, additional RFIs etc. would be nice.

In short: minor or unproven impact for Uzbekistan's J-10CE purchase; probably a meaningful accelerant for Bangladesh.

What do you mean with Sauerkraut? It is exactly what i wanted to express!

The requirement & RFP for Uzbekistan and likely another African country is indeed older and the contract was signed before that event! As such the often claimed Pakistani help in boosting sales in nonsnese.

 

[Salza]

Not sure about Uzbeks but in Bangladesh case, May 25 air battle certainly expedite things in J10 favor for Bangladeshis and this has been acknowledged by them at official level very recently.

 

[EgoKaempfer]

What do you mean with Sauerkraut? It is exactly what i wanted to express!

The requirement & RFP for Uzbekistan and likely another African country is indeed older and the contract was signed before that event! As such the often claimed Pakistani help in boosting sales in nonsnese.

Hence IMO your appreciation of the "event" impacting J-10CEs credibility is Sauerkraut. Taking into account how long the fighter has been in actuall service, how it was offered to south american countries, including brazil argentina etc, in the past and what materialised after the "event" was down to long before on-going negotiations- well some people also beleieve in tooth fairies. It's their coice.

 

[Deino]

Hence IMO your appreciation of the "event" impacting J-10CEs credibility is Sauerkraut. Taking into account how long the fighter has been in actuall service, how it was offered to south american countries, including brazil argentina etc, in the past and what materialised after the "event" was down to long before on-going negotiations- well some people also beleieve in tooth fairies. It's their coice.

Again I agree, but it wasn‘t me, who suggested, the outcome of these skirmishes were responsible for the alleged bigger interest. So yes, this is „Sauerkraut“!

 

[Michael]

Please get those precious AWACS their HASs too, enclose their existing hangars in a HAS structure like this....View attachment 213578

A high-standard HAS is extremely expensive! This is a complex problem involving both military economics and engineering economics.

I once did a calculation.
If we use a multi-layered composite structure of UHPC(Ultra-High Performance Concrete) to build a highly protected HAS, capable of withstanding a direct hit from a BrahMos missile without any damage to the inner walls, then, based on Chinese domestic engineering cost standards, the cost of such a HAS would be approximately US$25 million to US$35 million. This is comparable to the cost of a brand-new JF-17B3 fighter jet.

 

[White Privilege]

A high-standard HAS is extremely expensive! This is a complex problem involving both military economics and engineering economics.

I once did a calculation.
If we use a multi-layered composite structure of UHPC(Ultra-High Performance Concrete) to build a highly protected HAS, capable of withstanding a direct hit from a BrahMos missile without any damage to the inner walls, then, based on Chinese domestic engineering cost standards, the cost of such a HAS would be approximately US$25 million to US$35 million. This is comparable to the cost of a brand-new JF-17B3 fighter jet.

I am not sure how much would hardening the existing hangars would cost to the PAF, may be we use different materials and techniques, but compared to the assets they house, it will always be a bargain.