Hangor Class Submarine | Updates & Discussion

[White Privilege]

These submarines must be able to deploy tethered drones for surveillance and hypersonic missiles to destroy the detected threats for better shoot and scoot۔۔۔۔

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

Can someone tell me what is "Hangor" or what it is named after?

 

[SABRE]

Can someone tell me what is "Hangor" or what it is named after?

Hangor means Shark

The Hangor-class submarine (Chinese Type-39A) is named after PNS Hangor (French Daphne-class), which sank an Indian Navy ship in 1971.

 

[AliKazmi007]

do we have any plans/confirmation on YJ-18/YJ-19 hypersoinc missiles on the Hangor class subs, or these are well wishes atm?

 

[Falcon26]

do we have any plans/confirmation on YJ-18/YJ-19 hypersoinc missiles on the Hangor class subs, or these are well wishes atm?

Nobody is going to give you hypersonic missiles.

 

[Pakistan First]

do we have any plans/confirmation on YJ-18/YJ-19 hypersoinc missiles on the Hangor class subs, or these are well wishes atm?

No comfirmation, but likely will be purchased. YJ-18E
Most sensible / likely choice for Hangors along with optionally Babur-IIIs.

Nobody is going to give you hypersonic missiles.

Its already cleared for export. Its designation is YJ-18E. Its not exactly a hypersonic missile. It reaches terminal speed of mach 3. Hypersonics is 5+ mach.

 

[Michael]

do we have any plans/confirmation on YJ-18/YJ-19 hypersoinc missiles on the Hangor class subs, or these are well wishes atm?

Its already cleared for export. Its designation is YJ-18E. Its not exactly a hypersonic missile. It reaches terminal speed of mach 3. Hypersonics is 5+ mach.

YJ-18E
Maximum cruise speed: Mach 0.8
Maximum terminal speed: Mach 3
It is a subsonic and supersonic combined cruise missile, not a hypersonic missile.
The PLA's domestically used version has a maximum range of 600 km, while the export version, limited by the MTCR, has a maximum range of 298 km. The warhead of the export version was also reduced by one-third, only two-thirds of that of the PLA's own version.------ This is publicly available official information; nobody knows the truth.




YJ-19
It has not yet obtained an export license. As for the future, I don't know!

 

[Falcon26]

No comfirmation, but likely will be purchased. YJ-18E
Most sensible / likely choice for Hangors along with optionally Babur-IIIs.



Its already cleared for export. Its designation is YJ-18E. Its not exactly a hypersonic missile. It reaches terminal speed of mach 3. Hypersonics is 5+ mach.

Hypersonic is not just about speed but also how the missile behaves in the air and its trajectory. There are very few true hypersonic missiles in the world. Everything else is a marketing hype.

 

[White Privilege]

No comfirmation, but likely will be purchased. YJ-18E
Most sensible / likely choice for Hangors along with optionally Babur-IIIs.



Its already cleared for export. Its designation is YJ-18E. Its not exactly a hypersonic missile. It reaches terminal speed of mach 3. Hypersonics is 5+ mach.

I believe that spreadsheet said to be shared by the Chinese that details weapons exports to Pakistan (I can't find it , it was also shared on this forum ), which indicates among others the 36 J-10CEs , also indicates the C-802 missiles for Hangors. However, we need longer ranged and higher speed missiles(at least in the final approach like YJ-18) for the 'Lone wolf' missions, stalking enemy surface groups or harbour entrances. This missile itself should be able to swerve around on launch making it harder for enemy to detect the exact direction of launch to ensure the survivability of the numbering sub. Also the sub should be able to deploy tethered aerial drones to help with targetting, that far from friendly assets.

 

[Pakistan First]

Hypersonic is not just about speed but also how the missile behaves in the air and its trajectory. There are very few true hypersonic missiles in the world. Everything else is a marketing hype.

I know. Its obvious so I skipped defining every detail. The original question was around YJ-18. For which I said that its already cleared for export. I also clarified that its not hypersonic.

However, speed is primary factor for which the classification exists with this very naming convention like sub-sonic, supersonic, hypersonic. The term itself is classification based on speed. Yes true Hypersonic weapons don't use traditional parabolic trajectory. Its uses airlift for unpredictable maneuver and is usually mach 5+.

The term hypersonic is very loosely being used around these days. For some weapon systems in 2.5-3.5 mach range Pakistani officials sometimes wrongly use word "hypersonic". Even though weapon system don't match the maneuver capabilities and don't even the speed. The correct term for these weapon systems (2.5 to 3.5 Mach) can be "high-supersonic". Not hypersonics.

For Pakistan navy, ""high-supersonic" weapons are a very good addition. Surface fleet already got those in recent past.

 

[Be dazzled]

Hangor means Shark

The Hangor-class submarine (Chinese Type-39A) is named after PNS Hangor (French Daphne-class), which sank an Indian Navy ship in 1971.

Sank INS Kukri and damaged beyond repairs INS Kirpan destroyers gaining some respite after the Karachi debacle.