Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[El Sidd]

Revolution is a vicious cycle , most revolutionaries end up at the guillotine.

Most not all and that is enough of motivation for them to continue seeking glory of revolution.

 

[mythbuster]

Ok so piecing it together he is one of those ethno nationalist pashtuns garbed as post nationalist, post borders, Canada based, liberal (multi cultural Canada good, multi ethnic Pakistan bad), first world coded judgement on third world nations...but all for the tribe


The Taliban are simply never at fault, as if the most stubborn tribals in human existence were being manipulated, not that they are fighting a war to win more backwardness for 50 years .....

Poor thing is like those kids who are confused about their gender ...not saying he's transgender.

 

[r3alist]

Ten bucks say he ain't Pashtun.

10 bucks (of.....?), doesn't sound like a confident bet

 

[El Sidd]

10 bucks (of.....?), doesn't sound like a confident bet

Since I am most likely to be prosecuted for being off topic I say pick either PKr, Turkish Lira or Saudi Riyal.

 

[r3alist]

Poor thing is like those kids who are confused about their gender ...not saying he's transgender.

If Canada can have multi racial multi ethnic multi religious utopia..... Why is he caring about constituent ethnic groups preserving their own?

They cannot be globalised

Does neo not realise he is promoting third world nationalism but a more extreme version, essentially stick to your tribe (but not in Canada please, need this place to be liberal???)

Sounds like a theory for chaos in nation states.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

The world is moving to nationalism at the same time criminal cabals are becoming more powerful and brazen all over the world. E.g. the US becoming more aggressive and militaristic with a criminal like Trump in power, India becoming more aggressive with a puppet of a corrupt billionaire tycoon in power, Pakistan becoming a dictatorship because the criminals families controlling PPP + PMLN wanted to avoid going to prison. Idk what you think of that, but to me, it is a sign that nationalism is a trick played on gullible people by criminals so they can engage in war profiteering.

On the topic of deracination. There is nothing more deranicating than Pakistani identity. Pakistan is a multiethnic country. Its constituent units have been speaking their own native languages centuries before Pakistan even came into existence. But the official language in the country is Urdu. The ethnic nations in Balochistan and Khyber Pakhunkhwa are cut off from the native lands their ancestors traversed long before Pakistan existed.

If you don't like Pakistan then pi*s to somewhere where you do like it. Pi*s off to the the world's biggest shi*hole failed state that is afghanistan.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Pakistani policy makers really didn't take advantage of the US invasion of Afghanistan in an effective way. Both in dictating the formation of the Afghan govt(using the Pakistani supply line as leverage), as well as not forcing a settlement on the durand line and using American funds to completely seal the western border to make crossing impossible, outside of designated and regulated border crossings.

The Eastern front is far more complicated by the fact that India is a nuclear power. So not sure what the solution there is, but the Pakistanis messed up post partition in not annexing Kashmir in a more direct fashion, the same way India annexed Goa, Hydrabad and Junagadh. If the Kashmir matter was settled decisively, there would not be an issue today.

Do you think the super arrogant neo-cons of that time had any appetite for accepting any demands vis-a-vis Afganistan from Pakistan? Afganistan was the excuse, but Pakistan was the target....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Another imposter


Neojinnah..... Named after the person who fought for borders


They always give it away in the names they choose

Yep. Ops Bandor, Sindoor etc. even sound like abject failure...

 

[hyperman]

Do you think the super arrogant neo-cons of that time had any appetite for accepting any demands vis-a-vis Afganistan from Pakistan? Afganistan was the excuse, but Pakistan was the target....

They were desperate to stop the insurgency, they would have funded it. The problem was, technically at the time, Pakistan felt the insurgency was benefitting it b.c they thought the Talibs were on their side, so they saw benefit in it.

 

[SoulSpokesman]

@Master Chief

Not sure. @Neojinnah sahib talks sense in another thread.

My dear distant cousin from the western scrublands, I suspect you are referring to the thread(s) where Neojinnah sahib gives Indians/Hindus a drubbing?

Regards

 

[Imran S]

Pakistan should normalize its relations with India and bury the hatchet of enmity. We should not allow India to be used by Israel and USA. We have no cause for enmity with them. Together the Hindus and the Muslims lived for more than a thousand years amicably. Only the British with their divide and rule policy created enmity between the two peoples. Urdu-Hindi Controversy was created by the British through their agents. The controversy was not even about the spoken language, it was about how it was written; in Persian script or Devnagri. Even today we can easily understand hindi films and even speeches by BJP politicians despite the adoption of new words. Many Hindu rajas fought on the side of Muslim Rulers like Akbar and Sher Shah. The two peoples jointly struggled for liberation from the British. Bacha Khan had family relations with Gandhi and the Nehru family and Indira Gandhi studied in Shanti Nekatan School of Rabindra Nath Tagore together with Wali Khan and Ghani Khan. Nawaz Sharif has very good terms with Indian Politicians. If we send Nawaz and Shehbaz along with Aimal Wali Khan to India to meet with BJP and Congress leaders then peace can be quickly achieved. The two armies share the same history, same traditions, same culture and same professionalism. One retired major got into serious trouble some years back after writing to the top military authorities that the troops on the Punjab border had whiskey bouts along with their Indian counterparts LOL.

As Pakistan has now entered the Makkah Defence Pact, it should turn its eyes and focus from the East to the West, North and Middle East and quickly forge new Defence Agreements with Muslim Countries, particularly members of the ECO so that it can become a regional mini Super Power.

Secondly, it should create an Economic Union like the European Union with its new partners so as to lift the region out of poverty and also to share advances in different fields with each other.

If Pakistan removes the constant friction with India then it can concentrate on its economic growth.

Speed is of essence in creating the new pacts with brotherly Muslim countries because the enemies of Islam are already planning to test and dismantle this military pact. Finally, if Pakistan becomes a bigger power, then India would automatically try to have peace with us.

قرآن مجید کی سورہ محمد (سورہ نمبر 47) کی آیت نمبر 35 میں اس کا ذکر کیا گیا ہے:
فَلَا تَهِنُوا وَتَدْعُوا إِلَى السَّلْمِ وَأَنْتُمُ الْأَعْلَوْنَ وَاللَّهُ مَعَكُمْ وَلَنْ يَتِرَكُمْ أَعْمَالَكُمْ

"تو تم ہمت نہ ہارو اور (خود آگے بڑھ کر) صلح کی درخواست نہ کرو، جبکہ تم ہی سربلند (غالب) رہنے والے ہو، اور اللہ تمہارے ساتھ ہے اور وہ ہرگز تمہارے اعمال ضائع نہیں کرے گا۔"
— سورہ محمد، آیت 35 اسلام میں ہمیشہ کے لیے صلح سے منع نہیں کیا گیا، بلکہ اس آیت کا اصل مقصد مسلمانوں میں خودداری اور غیرتِ ایمانی پیدا کرنا ہے:

 

[HAIDER]

I don t know why wasting so much time. CENTCOM was formed counter Iran , later after repeated failure, Adm Brad came with new idea to form new pact , which is now named Mecca Accord. Which also help protect KSA Royal family from any internal rift.

 

[Owaiz]

Pakistani policy makers really didn't take advantage of the US invasion of Afghanistan in an effective way. Both in dictating the formation of the Afghan govt(using the Pakistani supply line as leverage), as well as not forcing a settlement on the durand line and using American funds to completely seal the western border to make crossing impossible, outside of designated and regulated border crossings.

The Eastern front is far more complicated by the fact that India is a nuclear power. So not sure what the solution there is, but the Pakistanis messed up post partition in not annexing Kashmir in a more direct fashion, the same way India annexed Goa, Hydrabad and Junagadh. If the Kashmir matter was settled decisively, there would not be an issue today.

You are massively overestimating the leverage Pakistan had in Afghanistan, especially after the OBL episode. Also, the regime in power now were supposed to be the good Taliban and expected to be more friendly than the Ghani government that was backed by India.

And there is so comparison between the military situations in Junagadh, Hyderabad and Goa, which were cakewalke for the Indian army, and Kashmir , where Pakistan had to fight the Indian army.

 

[HAIDER]

My criticism is with Pakistan itself and the positions it has taken in regards to Afghanistan and its own Pashtun people. It has spent the last 80 years at war with Pashtuns. This is undeniable. It kept the leading Pashtun leader in the region in prison. It set up terror camps all over NWFP and FATA to militarize the region, flooded them with drugs, facilitated a decades long civil war against Afghanistan which basically destroyed the fabric of their society, and all just to preserve the Durand Line.

Pakistanis have to suffer from terror, a drug epidemic, instability and the poverty which comes with it for a border. I am told endlessly about how important this border is, but for some reason Pakistan just keeps on getting worse and worse while preserving this border.

Check the Piffers role pre 1947, you will understand the mind set.

 

[PK781]

Pakistan should normalize its relations with India and bury the hatchet of enmity. We should not allow India to be used by Israel and USA. We have no cause for enmity with them. Together the Hindus and the Muslims lived for more than a thousand years amicably. Only the British with their divide and rule policy created enmity between the two peoples. Urdu-Hindi Controversy was created by the British through their agents. The controversy was not even about the spoken language, it was about how it was written; in Persian script or Devnagri. Even today we can easily understand hindi films and even speeches by BJP politicians despite the adoption of new words. Many Hindu rajas fought on the side of Muslim Rulers like Akbar and Sher Shah. The two peoples jointly struggled for liberation from the British. Bacha Khan had family relations with Gandhi and the Nehru family and Indira Gandhi studied in Shanti Nekatan School of Rabindra Nath Tagore together with Wali Khan and Ghani Khan. Nawaz Sharif has very good terms with Indian Politicians. If we send Nawaz and Shehbaz along with Aimal Wali Khan to India to meet with BJP and Congress leaders then peace can be quickly achieved. The two armies share the same history, same traditions, same culture and same professionalism. One retired major got into serious trouble some years back after writing to the top military authorities that the troops on the Punjab border had whiskey bouts along with their Indian counterparts LOL.

As Pakistan has now entered the Makkah Defence Pact, it should turn its eyes and focus from the East to the West, North and Middle East and quickly forge new Defence Agreements with Muslim Countries, particularly members of the ECO so that it can become a regional mini Super Power.

Secondly, it should create an Economic Union like the European Union with its new partners so as to lift the region out of poverty and also to share advances in different fields with each other.

If Pakistan removes the constant friction with India then it can concentrate on its economic growth.

Speed is of essence in creating the new pacts with brotherly Muslim countries because the enemies of Islam are already planning to test and dismantle this military pact. Finally, if Pakistan becomes a bigger power, then India would automatically try to have peace with us.

With all due respect and being OFFTOPIC for first paragraph:

There is NO WAY we should go begging for peace to india. Did u ever look at what their entire media barks about daily ? You want to go make peace with a country that wants our blood and to kill Pakistanis and take over our land and make "akhand bharat", they talk how entire kashmir is theirs and want our GilgitBatistan too and they dream about taking over Lahore. Want to stop our Water? !!
Did u forget what they happened in 1965, 1971, 2019, 2025? You still want peace after all that shit? They even refused to shake the hands while playing cricket and other sports. Do you have ANY "ghairat" left?
Over 200,000 Pakistani citizens (and most of them innocent Balochs and Pathans of Balochistan and NWFP) have suffered and gotten killed (Shaheed) due to the insurgencies , ALL FUNDED by your India who u want to peace with.
So many of our priceless soldiers have embraced Shahadah while defending their Pakistani territory, should we brush that away and give them a slap for their sacrifice becase the likes of you want peace with india. ?? They were Baloch and Pathan too, many of them. They wore the Pakistani military uniform.
No matter what you do and give to them, they will NEVER accept you and will only treat u like a begging low scum shit, just like how they treat their own muslim populations.
Better yet, why don't u set an example, pick your entire family and just go live in india, and then show the world how great that peace gesture ends. See if they accept you and your family FIRST.