Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[r3alist]

All the revolutions in history died , some with a bang and some with a whimper... Iranian one dieing with a bang...I really don't understand what you are on about.

That's my point, what you said, and in-between they can cause chaos

 

[Watandar]

Yes the army is excessively powerful but that's because of the void left from perpetual civic failures and if you do not see they are the same dichotomy maybe Afghanistan is a simpler place for you.

The story is civic weakness is as long as the the story of the army increasing influence.

Notice how you derail the thread further because the army is to blame for everything is your ONLY contribution, it's not productive beyond a point

Wrong analysis. The army never allowed civilian institutions and democratic culture to grow in the first place. It seized power multiple times in illegal coups promising honesty, eventual democracy and progress for Pakistan, which it never delivered. The army ruined Pakistan.

This is the reason this army always searches for new wars to join, its the only way they know how to earn foreign currency and qualify for bailouts for the miserable shape they have left the Pakistani economy in.

Back to topic.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

There is no equation where pakistan can remain indefinitely neutral to Irans attacks ... Iran could do this for one or two or five years, is this ok and why?

That is funny... who else can say that about Iranian attack anywhere?
For all it's worth the countey was attacked from bases on these puppet regimes... clans and sub clans.
Can Iraq, Egypt or Turkiye can make the same assumption you made about Pakistan?

Again, the aggressor employed bases in these states to decapitate the regime in Iran... let that sink in... allow some time... killed not only it's leader but religious figure... that would be doing the same to MBS and Bin Fawzan at the same time... along with his family. But that wasn't all... the aggression started from attack on school and targeted thousands of civilian places in Iran... including schools, universities, power plants, desalination plants and hospitals.

Did Iran reciprocate the same in GCC/Jordan/Iraq?

They were more precise in targeting the bases and infrastructure actively in use for hostilities against them... they further threatened to target the same infrastructure if and when targeted inside Iran as reciprocal.

They closed Hormuz amd sanctioned oil as they had been for past thirty years... their oil cannot be sold while ones recycling Petro-dollar can...

You have default assumptions that need revision

Make me

Where are Irans considerations to the rest of the region and where to draw the line?

Flip that... why can't the region unite against the one using them as shield to attack Iran?

For how long will mideast provide logistics, men and resources to foment trouble in the region... Iran hs been suffering the same since Mossadegh.

Be careful sir you do not mistake Iranian ambitions with Iranian resistance, and open your eyes to the fate of those who placed a type of faith in Iran , Iran did not attack during Gaza...

Who did?
Even Emirates now came out in saying that they also informed miliekowsky of an impending attack from Gaza after the imposition of Abraham Accords... Egyptians did the same a while back and.... zion knew all along.

Everything Iran has done is reciprocal... Hezbollah was resistance against zionist occupation of South Lebanon... they were not formed in a vacuum either...

They made it clear their own sacrifices are for when they were attacked alone, so it's a ruthless calculation from them, it relies perhaps on people confusing between blurring the lines on regional designs and resistance

If Iran has priorities then why is Pakistani blood cheap? To be used against whomever...

You will only earn respect by asserting limits

Pakistan will force limits on others?
Or Iran should be made to capitulate to the whims of the empire?

 

[mythbuster]

Who's we... how many put on oxygen...
Saudis are in pretty bad though... drop from US all the way to Pakistan...
I got a joke for that...
Brits were recruiting... you know...
Funny!

Isn't it a poetic justice that WE the meek indus valley Pakistani have turned the mighty Persians into our sidekick and Arabs our protégé.... instead of grumbling enjoy the vagaries of history.

 

[030292]

 

[mythbuster]

Wrong analysis. The army never allowed civilian institutions and democratic culture to grow in the first place. It seized power multiple times in illegal coups promising honesty, eventual democracy and progress for Pakistan, which it never delivered. The army ruined Pakistan.

This is the reason this army always searches for new wars to join, its the only way they know how to earn foreign currency and qualify for bailouts for the miserable shape they have left the Pakistani economy in.

Back to topic.

Write a book with the title ' My unending Randi Rona "

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

meek

?
How so?

That is a premise set in prevalent mediocrity... unbecoming of civilization. The difference is that Indus wasn't engaged in creation of empires...
But mercenaries, a plenty!
At times both Arabs and Persians employed them...

Check out The Zutts... or any number of other local affiliations that found a niche.

It is the continuity of the same...

Indus doesn't engage in forming empires... still!

 

[r3alist]

That is funny... who else can say that about Iranian attack anywhere?
For all it's worth the countey was attacked from bases on these puppet regimes... clans and sub clans.
Can Iraq, Egypt or Turkiye can make the same assumption you made about Pakistan?

Again, the aggressor employed bases in these states to decapitate the regime in Iran... let that sink in... allow some time... killed not only it's leader but religious figure... that would be doing the same to MBS and Bin Fawzan at the same time... along with his family. But that wasn't all... the aggression started from attack on school and targeted thousands of civilian places in Iran... including schools, universities, power plants, desalination plants and hospitals.

Did Iran reciprocate the same in GCC/Jordan/Iraq?

They were more precise in targeting the bases and infrastructure actively in use for hostilities against them... they further threatened to target the same infrastructure if and when targeted inside Iran as reciprocal.

They closed Hormuz amd sanctioned oil as they had been for past thirty years... their oil cannot be sold while ones recycling Petro-dollar can...


Make me


Flip that... why can't the region unite against the one using them as shield to attack Iran?

For how long will mideast provide logistics, men and resources to foment trouble in the region... Iran hs been suffering the same since Mossadegh.


Who did?
Even Emirates now came out in saying that they also informed miliekowsky of an impending attack from Gaza after the imposition of Abraham Accords... Egyptians did the same a while back and.... zion knew all along.

Everything Iran has done is reciprocal... Hezbollah was resistance against zionist occupation of South Lebanon... they were not formed in a vacuum either...


If Iran has priorities then why is Pakistani blood cheap? To be used against whomever...


Pakistan will force limits on others?
Or Iran should be made to capitulate to the whims of the empire?

So just say it in a sentence, you want Iranian maximalist outcomes.

Don't you forget the same Iranians were actively offering themselves in the early 2000s to support the USA against the Taliban, they volunteered, what happened to the anti USA revolution then?


They threw a missile at Pakistan first and subsequently make nice with India now despite losing a ship and 80 sailors out of India .... India being Israel's major ally left and in the future

Make it make sense, India not a base as well?


Iran wants the best outcomes for Iran, they can be just as flexible when it suits.
Lebanon Gaza and Syria are NOT strong now

 

[Mobius]

Pakistan must not get involved militarily.......

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

So just say it in a sentence, you want Iranian maximalist outcomes.

Why? How?
Is Iran the aggressor here? Or are they the global super power having their way at it?

None whatsoever!
they're demanding equality!
too hard for some...
they can't sell their oil... love their lives... access their resources... their frozen assets... AND under threat of war...
Right!
Iran is being unreasonable here...
How dare they?
They want the empire to vacate it's possessions...
Oh no...

Don't you forget the same Iranians were actively offering themselves in the early 2000s to support the USA against the Taliban, they volunteered, what happened to the anti USA revolution then?

Yes... that can only be done by Pakistan and/or Arabs....

Iranians, a part of them still want to engage... yes blame them...

They threw a missile at Pakistan first and subsequently make nice with India now despite losing a ship and 80 sailors out of India .... India being Israel's major ally left and in the future

Their engagement with India arose from Indian non aligned movement and that India remained a top market for their oil and wares... Iran attacked a dissident group inside Pakistan... and Pakistan reciprocated by targeting one of their own... both ended up killing civilians...

Make it make sense, India not a base as well?

Where is India in this conflict... they're part of every alliance against Iran right now... be it hexagon or I2U2...

Iran wants the best outcomes for Iran, they can be just as flexible when it suits.
Lebanon Gaza and Syria are NOT strong now

Iran, at the end of the day is responsible for themselves... just as those who attacked them... and those who do it for pure altruism.

 

[r3alist]

Their engagement with India arose from Indian non aligned movement and that India remained a top market for their oil and wares... Iran attacked a dissident group inside Pakistan... and Pakistan reciprocated by targeting one of their own... both ended up killing civilians

That speaks for itself, this here above

You explain India away by referring back to 50 years ago... Lol

Who was fatherland days before lol insane explanation

They can lob missiles into Pakistan as well because they perceive something we still don't know.... All ok with you?

You have gotten carried away and too stubborn to cedr

 

[mythbuster]

Why? How?
Is Iran the aggressor here? Or are they the global super power having their way at it?

None whatsoever!
they're demanding equality!
too hard for some...
they can't sell their oil... love their lives... access their resources... their frozen assets... AND under threat of war...
Right!
Iran is being unreasonable here...
How dare they?
They want the empire to vacate it's possessions...
Oh no...

Yes... that can only be done by Pakistan and/or Arabs....

Iranians, a part of them still want to engage... yes blame them...


Their engagement with India arose from Indian non aligned movement and that India remained a top market for their oil and wares... Iran attacked a dissident group inside Pakistan... and Pakistan reciprocated by targeting one of their own... both ended up killing civilians...


Where is India in this conflict... they're part of every alliance against Iran right now... be it hexagon or I2U2...


Iran, at the end of the day is responsible for themselves... just as those who attacked them... and those who do it for pure altruism.

These spins are not going to help Iran... right now , Iran needs some band aid for her leaky hiney

 

[r3alist]

These spins are not going to help Iran... right now , Iran needs some band aid for her leaky hiney

Professor marandi seemingly posts here reading the staunch defence. Because literally Iran can do no wrong.

Funny how these guys forget Gaza, because Iran is fighting for Iran now, but was not fighting before.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

That speaks for itself, this here above

You explain India away by referring back to 50 years ago... Lol

Who was fatherland days before lol insane explanation

They can lob missiles into Pakistan as well because they perceive something we still don't know.... All ok with you?

You have gotten carried away and too stubborn to cedr

Do me a favor...
Don't color me you delusions!

Pakistan just like Turkiye shares a dissident group with Iran. Kurds with Turkiye/Iraq and Baloch with Pakistan.
Turks have managed their Kurds... Iraq cannot and Pakistan still has a simmering insurgency. Pakistan even helped Iran arrest one flying from Emirates a while back...
Pakistani feud with India and their tentacles through Iran have been known but ir was always India that had to show it's true colors for Iran to ever understand Pakistani position.
They have an inherent distrust of Pakistan... as Pakistanis have of others... that the other is secretly out to get them...

Until they're exposed.

As for the rest the bottom line is that each has their own interest at heart!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

These spins are not going to help Iran... right now , Iran needs some band aid for her leaky hiney

Do your thing... everyone talk tough!