‘I want to cry’: Afghan medical students in Pakistan face expulsion fear

[Pakistanithinktank]

Let them finish their degree = yes

They become an ambassador for us = not a chance. They'll do the volte-face at the first available opportunity.

In geopolitics, there are no permanent friends and no permanent enemies, only permanent interests. We learn this lesson repeatedly, yet somehow we keep forgetting it.

States behave according to what benefits them in that moment, not according to emotional loyalty or historical sentiment. Pakistan’s foreign relationships are a perfect example of this reality.

Relationship with Uncle Sam
The U.S.–Pakistan relationship has always been transactional.

• When Washington needs Pakistan: Cold War, Afghan jihad, War on Terror, the relationship warms up.
• When strategic priorities shift, Pakistan becomes an afterthought. There is cooperation, pressure, aid, sanctions, praise, criticism, all depending on American interests at the time.

Pakistan often misreads this relationship emotionally, expecting consistency from a country that operates purely on strategic calculus.

Relationship with UAE
UAE treats Pakistan as a brotherly nation when interests align, and as a business partner when they don’t.

• Investments rise and fall based on regional stability.
• Diplomatic warmth fluctuates with Pakistan’s internal politics.
• Labor policies tighten or loosen depending on UAE’s economic cycles.

It’s friendly, but never unconditional.

Relationship with Saudi Arabia
This relationship is often romanticized, but in reality, it has never been perfect. It has always had ups and downs.

A clear example during Imran Khan’s government, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman reportedly expressed frustration and even threatened to send Pakistani workers home, a reminder that even “brotherly” ties are governed by interests, not emotions.

Saudi Arabia expects alignment on regional politics, security cooperation, and economic stability. When Pakistan deviates, Riyadh recalibrates.

Relationship with China ​

China is often described as Pakistan’s “iron brother,” but even this relationship is rooted in interests, not sentiment.

• China needs strategic access to the Arabian Sea.
• China needs stability for CPEC and Belt & Road.
• China needs a counterweight to India.

Pakistan benefits from Chinese investment, defense cooperation, and diplomatic support but China’s loyalty is strategic, not emotional. If Pakistan becomes unstable or economically unreliable, Beijing adjusts its posture immediately.

Even the closest partnerships in geopolitics are interest-driven.
Currently China as country is not happy with Pakistan's economic, security situation and difficulty in making loan repayment.

Relationship with Bangladesh
Pakistan’s relationship with Bangladesh is shaped by history, but governed by present-day interests.

• Bangladesh is rising economically.
• It is building its own defense industry.
• It is diversifying partnerships, China, India, Gulf states.

Pakistan often assumes Bangladesh will naturally align with it, but Dhaka operates with a clear-eyed sense of national interest. When cooperation benefits Bangladesh, it engages. When it doesn’t, it simply moves on.

This is not hostility, it’s sovereignty.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!...................Apart from terrorism and the murder of 90,000+ Pakistanis from afghan terrorist scumbags, Pakistan gets NOTHING good from afghans and afghanistan. There should NOT be even 1 afghan in Pakistan.

Pakistan’s biggest mistake wasn’t Afghanistan; it was Pakistan’s own blindness. We handed out entry passes without documentation, opened borders without strategy, and allowed millions to settle without any long‑term plan. This wasn’t generosity. This was a blunder by the Pakistani government and the establishment.”

“This is what happens when you give a blind man a driving license and a free car. He doesn’t know what to do, so he drives based on whatever noises he hears.”

That blind driver was Pakistan’s policy elite.

Pakistan must stop emotional reactions and start acting like a sovereign state. Document everyone. Regulate borders. Deport illegal criminals. End the ‘brotherly’ illusions. Build policy based on interests, not nostalgia.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In geopolitics, there are no permanent friends and no permanent enemies, only permanent interests. We learn this lesson repeatedly, yet somehow we keep forgetting it.

States behave according to what benefits them in that moment, not according to emotional loyalty or historical sentiment. Pakistan’s foreign relationships are a perfect example of this reality.

Relationship with Uncle Sam
The U.S.–Pakistan relationship has always been transactional.

• When Washington needs Pakistan: Cold War, Afghan jihad, War on Terror, the relationship warms up.
• When strategic priorities shift, Pakistan becomes an afterthought. There is cooperation, pressure, aid, sanctions, praise, criticism, all depending on American interests at the time.

Pakistan often misreads this relationship emotionally, expecting consistency from a country that operates purely on strategic calculus.

Relationship with UAE
UAE treats Pakistan as a brotherly nation when interests align, and as a business partner when they don’t.

• Investments rise and fall based on regional stability.
• Diplomatic warmth fluctuates with Pakistan’s internal politics.
• Labor policies tighten or loosen depending on UAE’s economic cycles.

It’s friendly, but never unconditional.

Relationship with Saudi Arabia
This relationship is often romanticized, but in reality, it has never been perfect. It has always had ups and downs.

A clear example during Imran Khan’s government, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman reportedly expressed frustration and even threatened to send Pakistani workers home, a reminder that even “brotherly” ties are governed by interests, not emotions.

Saudi Arabia expects alignment on regional politics, security cooperation, and economic stability. When Pakistan deviates, Riyadh recalibrates.

Relationship with China ​

China is often described as Pakistan’s “iron brother,” but even this relationship is rooted in interests, not sentiment.

• China needs strategic access to the Arabian Sea.
• China needs stability for CPEC and Belt & Road.
• China needs a counterweight to India.

Pakistan benefits from Chinese investment, defense cooperation, and diplomatic support but China’s loyalty is strategic, not emotional. If Pakistan becomes unstable or economically unreliable, Beijing adjusts its posture immediately.

Even the closest partnerships in geopolitics are interest-driven.
Currently China as country is not happy with Pakistan's economic, security situation and difficulty in making loan repayment.

Relationship with Bangladesh
Pakistan’s relationship with Bangladesh is shaped by history, but governed by present-day interests.

• Bangladesh is rising economically.
• It is building its own defense industry.
• It is diversifying partnerships, China, India, Gulf states.

Pakistan often assumes Bangladesh will naturally align with it, but Dhaka operates with a clear-eyed sense of national interest. When cooperation benefits Bangladesh, it engages. When it doesn’t, it simply moves on.

This is not hostility, it’s sovereignty.




Pakistan’s biggest mistake wasn’t Afghanistan; it was Pakistan’s own blindness. We handed out entry passes without documentation, opened borders without strategy, and allowed millions to settle without any long‑term plan. This wasn’t generosity. This was a blunder by the Pakistani government and the establishment.”

“This is what happens when you give a blind man a driving license and a free car. He doesn’t know what to do, so he drives based on whatever noises he hears.”

That blind driver was Pakistan’s policy elite.

Pakistan must stop emotional reactions and start acting like a sovereign state. Document everyone. Regulate borders. Deport illegal criminals. End the ‘brotherly’ illusions. Build policy based on interests, not nostalgia.

afghans are NOT our "brothers". They are the biggest kuffar on planet earth.

 

[Distant_Observer]

“This is what happens when you give a blind man a driving license and a free car. He doesn’t know what to do, so he drives based on whatever noises he hears.”

That blind driver was Pakistan’s policy elite.

Pakistan must stop emotional reactions and start acting like a sovereign state. Document everyone. Regulate borders. Deport illegal criminals. End the ‘brotherly’ illusions. Build policy based on interests, not nostalgia.

If Pakistan had no afghan refugees a tightly controlled border then even if Pakistan had decided to put boots on ground in Afghanistan with NATO which they should have and also in NWFP and wider KPK immediately in 2005, they still would have remained untouched.

Look at Turkey and their internal security situation during the height of ISIS in Syria back in 2012. Completely unaffected because the border looked like this.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Yk what's crazy? Punjabi students are holding protests and rallies for the same Afghan students. Which is honestly crazy

Unfortunately Punjab has too many of such cucks, especially in Lahore. I hardly see these people cry about innocent Punjabi laborers getting slaughtered by BLA.

 

[_NOBODY_]

Punjabis are kind and hospitable people by nature.

There is a fine line between empathy and suicidal empathy.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Unfortunately Punjab has too many of such cucks, especially in Lahore. I hardly see these people cry about innocent Punjabi laborers getting slaughtered by BLA.

Unfortunately yes. Did you see clips from SZMC in Lahore? The students were having full on rallies in support of Afkunis, which is pathetic

 

[flyingorca]

If Pakistan had no afghan refugees a tightly controlled border then even if Pakistan had decided to put boots on ground in Afghanistan with NATO which they should have and also in NWFP and wider KPK immediately in 2005, they still would have remained untouched.

Look at Turkey and their internal security situation during the height of ISIS in Syria back in 2012. Completely unaffected because the border looked like this.

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Unfortunately Pakistan western border terrain looks nothing like this.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Unfortunately Pakistan western border terrain looks nothing like this.

Still needs to be sealed NO MATTER what it looks like. Whatever the cost may be, it won't be as high as the afghandus continuing to cause terrorism and mass-murder in Pakistan.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Unfortunately Punjab has too many of such cucks, especially in Lahore. I hardly see these people cry about innocent Punjabi laborers getting slaughtered by BLA.

The afghandus are a filthy, disgusting, low rate inferior race who are JUST as much an enemy of Pakistan as the indians and hindutva are. They are also the BIGGEST KUFFAR on planet earth, yet some RETARDED Pakistanis still cry for them, go figure....................

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

afghans are NOT our "brothers". They are the biggest kuffar on planet earth.

The afghandus are a filthy, disgusting, low rate inferior race who are JUST as much an enemy of Pakistan as the indians and hindutva are. They are also the BIGGEST KUFFAR on planet earth, yet some RETARDED Pakistanis still cry for them, go figure....................

Bro, don't make blanket statements that you can't proof. It's like me saying that all Wadaras in Sindh love child-bride or young boys. obviously, it's not true.

By the way, not all Afghans are bad. The real question is why don’t ISI or MI tell the public what percentage of terrorism cases involve Afghan nationals, Pakistanis, or individuals from other countries? Transparency would end half the confusion.

A lot of people involved in militancy are not born terrorists, they are manipulated, exploited, or brainwashed because of the economic collapse and instability inside Afghanistan. Poverty, desperation, and lack of state control create perfect conditions for militant recruitment.

And this pattern isn’t unique to Afghanistan.

This is exactly what RAW does inside Pakistan too, they identify vulnerable Pakistanis working in the Middle East, then manipulate or blackmail them into providing information about sensitive military assets including. Military uniforms, Pakistani fake passports, IDs, etc.

It’s not about nationality. It’s about vulnerability. Any intelligence agency RAW, CIA, Mossad, ISI will exploit people who are financially desperate or socially isolated.

The real failure is the lack of public transparency and weak counter‑intelligence safeguards inside Pakistan.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bro, don't make blanket statements that you can't proof. It's like me saying that all Wadaras in Sindh love child-bride or young boys. obviously, it's not true.

By the way, not all Afghans are bad. The real question is why don’t ISI or MI tell the public what percentage of terrorism cases involve Afghan nationals, Pakistanis, or individuals from other countries? Transparency would end half the confusion.

A lot of people involved in militancy are not born terrorists, they are manipulated, exploited, or brainwashed because of the economic collapse and instability inside Afghanistan. Poverty, desperation, and lack of state control create perfect conditions for militant recruitment.

And this pattern isn’t unique to Afghanistan.

This is exactly what RAW does inside Pakistan too, they identify vulnerable Pakistanis working in the Middle East, then manipulate or blackmail them into providing information about sensitive military assets including. Military uniforms, Pakistani fake passports, IDs, etc.

It’s not about nationality. It’s about vulnerability. Any intelligence agency RAW, CIA, Mossad, ISI will exploit people who are financially desperate or socially isolated.

The real failure is the lack of public transparency and weak counter‑intelligence safeguards inside Pakistan.

Couldn't care less. I don't give a damn about afghans. ALL I care about is protecting and the well-being of my fellow Pakistanis. I want the best for my people. The afghans are the enemies of the Pakistani people the same way the indians are. Therefore I'm going to have the utmost hatred for both these types of disgusting people. It's only natural.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

The afghandus are a filthy, disgusting, low rate inferior race who are JUST as much an enemy of Pakistan as the indians and hindutva are. They are also the BIGGEST KUFFAR on planet earth, yet some RETARDED Pakistanis still cry for them, go figure....................

Couldn't care less. I don't give a damn about afghans. ALL I care about is protecting and the well-being of my fellow Pakistanis. I want the best for my people. The afghans are the enemies of the Pakistani people the same way the indians are. Therefore I'm going to have the utmost hatred for both these types of disgusting people. It's only natural.

Afghanistan’s situation didn’t appear out of nowhere. It began with the Soviet invasion. Before that war, Afghanistan had almost no meaningful impact on Pakistan’s politics, society, or security landscape. The chaos spilled over only after the conflict, and Pakistan absorbed the shock without any long‑term plan.

That’s why, in my view, Afghans themselves are not the real enemy of Pakistan. Most ordinary Afghans are victims of history, war, poverty, displacement, and decades of foreign interference.

The real damage to Pakistan came from inside Pakistan, not outside.

Pakistan’s true enemies are its own power structures, the establishment’s strategic miscalculations, the elite class’s selfish interests, the feudal lords’ grip on resources, and the political mafia’s corruption. These internal actors have harmed Pakistan far more than any Afghan refugee ever could or any external enemy.

For 40+ years, Pakistan’s rulers:

• opened borders without documentation,
• made decisions based on foreign pressure,
• used refugees as political leverage,
• ignored long‑term national security planning,
• and allowed corruption to hollow out institutions.

Afghanistan didn’t blind Pakistan. Pakistan blinded itself.

And that leads to the most important point:

Sometimes it’s good to look in the mirror and find your own faults instead of blaming others for everything.

Pakistan’s Afghan problem became a crisis because Pakistan’s own system was weak, corrupt, and short‑sighted. Blaming Afghans for everything is easy. Fixing Pakistan’s internal dysfunction is hard but necessary.

 

[r3alist]

That’s why, in my view, Afghans themselves are not the real enemy of Pakistan. Most ordinary Afghans are victims of history, war, poverty, displacement, and decades of foreign interference.

How come any Afghan, east west, liberal religious atheist, still comes out with Peshawar is Afghan?
Guarantee you many Will have real anecdotes confirming the same


So yes it is individual's, that's how it persistds