Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

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[313Ghazi]

Even tho I hate gulf countries ( they are traitors also) but Ottomans are the ones who hosted the jews fleeing from Spain and made them feel free in our Islamic countries.
The same jews whose seeds foughts against us and stole Palestine along with the ones coming from Europe.

Jews were never expelled from the Middle East by Muslims, only Christians Crusaders.

Even Salahadin Ayubi allowed the return of those kicked out by the crusaders.

 

[Starlord]

There has been no official statement - and the modus operandi of how this help(barely a few weeks from the pact signing) would be delivered beyond the existing personell and equipment already in.

All other social media and opinions here are mostly driven by cult worship "bandwagon" political types or sectarian "cultism" tied to Iran which has little to do with religion and more to do with careful use of religion for geopolitical purposes.

Finally someone said it...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Than you Iran, for this mess.

Let me fix this for you.

"Thank you Israel and USA, for this mess"..

 

[lightning f57]

Let me fix this for you.

"Thank you Israel and USA, for this mess"..

And probably some GCC countries that were supportive of the war, atleast that is what was initially reported.

 

[flyingorca]

Where did you go to school? You should leave them a 1 star Google review.

The British Empire fought Turkey in 2 world wars. They occupied South Asia and the modern borders were created as they were kicked out.

Help?! You need help.

Cutiepie, Turkey did not even exist in WWI and during WWII Turkey remained pretty much neutral.
Btw, it was British officials who literally drew the borders of India and Pakistan. No one kicked them out of South Asia, they left on their terms and conditions.

 

[313Ghazi]

Cutiepie, Turkey did not even exist in WWI and during WWII Turkey remained pretty much neutral.
Btw, it was British officials who literally drew the borders of India and Pakistan. No one kicked them out of South Asia, they left on their terms and conditions.

Please, the revisionist BS is too much. What remained of the Ottoman empire in Turkish control, became Turkey. Just because it wasn't called "Turkey" in WW1, doesn't mean it didn't exist. Maybe we can say it doesn't exist today, as they're now named Turkiye.

As for the British, do you think they left willingly? Idk if you went to school in the US or Pakistan, either way, lanat on those who failed to educate you.

 

[flyingorca]

Please, the revisionist BS is too much. What remained of the Ottoman empire in Turkish control, became Turkey. Just because it wasn't called "Turkey" in WW1, doesn't mean it didn't exist. Maybe we can say it doesn't exist today, as they're now named Turkiye.

As for the British, do you think they left willingly? Idk if you went to school in the US or Pakistan, either way, lanat on those who failed to educate you.

Infact, the earliest days of Turkey was more anti Ottoman then it is today. Infact in early days of Turkey, they even tried to wipe out Islam through secular reforms. You are saying as if Ottoman empire just changed its name to Turkey and continued the ottomanlegacy.
Btw, I love Turkey today just not its early days.

YES, which empire has ever facilitated founding fathers to kick them out of their own empire?
Neither Pakistan nor India actually drew their own borders. But whatever is ours today is ours regardless which ever way we got it.
I am just a self taught lone wolf.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Bab el-Mandeb Blockade: Iran & Houthis’ Biggest Strategic Miscalculation? | GGP Media​

 

[Starlord]

Bab el-Mandeb Blockade: Iran & Houthis’ Biggest Strategic Miscalculation? | GGP Media​

I agree with the person, the main reason for such rash decision from Iran is due to lack of proper leadership, their seasoned Political leaders are either dead or hiding from the IRGC Fanatics, in Iran war main thread one can see how many members wants to see Iranian current political leaders hanged and consider them to be traitors, right now Iran is running like a nation that is on a total nihilistic path, local/regional commanders are making their own decisions to launch strikes or simply refusing to follow the points approved by the negotiating teams, we are not hearing much from the local Iranian social media or news but one can imagine that how much of a crisis of leadership is. Sonner or later the public opinion over the war will change, those who were once supporters of Iran will eventually see their behavior as bullying and irrational, not talking about the Sectarian zombies because they don't have brains to think.

I understand that Iran needs to survive this war because a stable Iran is important for region and Pakistan's due to its shared border, but if Pakistan has to stand among the world which include Europe/America/Middle East then eventually somethings will change, unless some sensible leadership emerges from Iran. Hezbullah is pretty much done for, they are scraping for survival, Hamas is gone along with Gaza, Iran's actions cause little to no damage to Israel or benefitted Palestinians one bit, meanwhile all the surrounding GCC countries are now in much more compromised and weaker positions, they are not openly declaring war on Iran but trying to defuse tension so they can go back to making money and screwing exotic model in Million dollar yachts. Countries like Pakistan where economy is arleady struggling due to internal terrorism, corruption and bad governance, such conflict and its reprecussions will beat down the common Pakistani's further. The guy is right to say that Trade will happen if not from traditional routes then countries will find alternative, Iran/Yemen can't just go around attacking other countries from using their own Territory to trade oil, like Iranian attack on Oman was a blunder.

Hopefully this conflict ends soon because from what I am seeing here, yes the lower/middle class in America are complaining about rising Gas prices but they are still going by their day to day life, and sooner or later the opinion will change, and if push comes to shove then more and more countries will join in to secure trade from these two straits, now if Iran wants to fight the whole world for some toll fees and risk their their energy infrastructure (whatever is left of it) then i'd say its definitely a very dumb idea and unnecessary hill to die on.

 

[maxpane]

I agree with the person, the main reason for such rash decision from Iran is due to lack of proper leadership, their seasoned Political leaders are either dead or hiding from the IRGC Fanatics, in Iran war main thread one can see how many members wants to see Iranian current political leaders hanged and consider them to be traitors, right now Iran is running like a nation that is on a total nihilistic path, local/regional commanders are making their own decisions to launch strikes or simply refusing to follow the points approved by the negotiating teams, we are not hearing much from the local Iranian social media or news but one can imagine that how much of a crisis of leadership is. Sonner or later the public opinion over the war will change, those who were once supporters of Iran will eventually see their behavior as bullying and irrational, not talking about the Sectarian zombies because they don't have brains to think.

I understand that Iran needs to survive this war because a stable Iran is important for region and Pakistan's due to its shared border, but if Pakistan has to stand among the world which include Europe/America/Middle East then eventually somethings will change, unless some sensible leadership emerges from Iran. Hezbullah is pretty much done for, they are scraping for survival, Hamas is gone along with Gaza, Iran's actions cause little to no damage to Israel or benefitted Palestinians one bit, meanwhile all the surrounding GCC countries are now in much more compromised and weaker positions, they are not openly declaring war on Iran but trying to defuse tension so they can go back to making money and screwing exotic model in Million dollar yachts. Countries like Pakistan where economy is arleady struggling due to internal terrorism, corruption and bad governance, such conflict and its reprecussions will beat down the common Pakistani's further. The guy is right to say that Trade will happen if not from traditional routes then countries will find alternative, Iran/Yemen can't just go around attacking other countries from using their own Territory to trade oil, like Iranian attack on Oman was a blunder.

Hopefully this conflict ends soon because from what I am seeing here, yes the lower/middle class in America are complaining about rising Gas prices but they are still going by their day to day life, and sooner or later the opinion will change, and if push comes to shove then more and more countries will join in to secure trade from these two straits, now if Iran wants to fight the whole world for some toll fees and risk their their energy infrastructure (whatever is left of it) then i'd say its definitely a very dumb idea and unnecessary hill to die on.

my conspiracy theory is they attacked bab ul mandub before election to show to the world and try to influence the election in usa. When price will up people will not vote for trump party as it will pinching them during election

 

[Starlord]

my conspiracy theory is they attacked bab ul mandub before election to show to the world and try to influence the election in usa. When price will up people will not vote for trump party as it will pinching them during election

Mid-terms were already looking bad, this recent escalation in Bab-al-Mandib will impact more to the poor countries than it will impact Americans, and like I said just like in Pakistan prices of things can go up significantly but people adjust to it after a while, similar to that the high price of Gas in America will hurt people but people will adjust eventually, and it will put negative effct on Iran war. Iran closing its SoH until conflict ends makes sense but if IRGC is pushing Houthis to expand the war into other regions and closing the other straits then people will change their opinion, with time things change and countries adapt but unfortunately in Iran's case, there is no sensible leadership, the new Supreme leader is in hiding, people dont even know if he is alive or dead or just too injured to make any decisions.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I agree with the person, the main reason for such rash decision from Iran is due to lack of proper leadership, their seasoned Political leaders are either dead or hiding from the IRGC Fanatics, in Iran war main thread one can see how many members wants to see Iranian current political leaders hanged and consider them to be traitors, right now Iran is running like a nation that is on a total nihilistic path, local/regional commanders are making their own decisions to launch strikes or simply refusing to follow the points approved by the negotiating teams, we are not hearing much from the local Iranian social media or news but one can imagine that how much of a crisis of leadership is. Sonner or later the public opinion over the war will change, those who were once supporters of Iran will eventually see their behavior as bullying and irrational, not talking about the Sectarian zombies because they don't have brains to think.

I understand that Iran needs to survive this war because a stable Iran is important for region and Pakistan's due to its shared border, but if Pakistan has to stand among the world which include Europe/America/Middle East then eventually somethings will change, unless some sensible leadership emerges from Iran. Hezbullah is pretty much done for, they are scraping for survival, Hamas is gone along with Gaza, Iran's actions cause little to no damage to Israel or benefitted Palestinians one bit, meanwhile all the surrounding GCC countries are now in much more compromised and weaker positions, they are not openly declaring war on Iran but trying to defuse tension so they can go back to making money and screwing exotic model in Million dollar yachts. Countries like Pakistan where economy is arleady struggling due to internal terrorism, corruption and bad governance, such conflict and its reprecussions will beat down the common Pakistani's further. The guy is right to say that Trade will happen if not from traditional routes then countries will find alternative, Iran/Yemen can't just go around attacking other countries from using their own Territory to trade oil, like Iranian attack on Oman was a blunder.

Hopefully this conflict ends soon because from what I am seeing here, yes the lower/middle class in America are complaining about rising Gas prices but they are still going by their day to day life, and sooner or later the opinion will change, and if push comes to shove then more and more countries will join in to secure trade from these two straits, now if Iran wants to fight the whole world for some toll fees and risk their their energy infrastructure (whatever is left of it) then i'd say its definitely a very dumb idea and unnecessary hill to die on.

this man you have quoted, does he have the ability to think some idea, on his own?

in other words, how do you know, he is not fooling you?!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Mid-terms were already looking bad, this recent escalation in Bab-al-Mandib will impact more to the poor countries than it will impact Americans, and like I said just like in Pakistan prices of things can go up significantly but people adjust to it after a while, similar to that the high price of Gas in America will hurt people but people will adjust eventually, and it will put negative effct on Iran war. Iran closing its SoH until conflict ends makes sense but if IRGC is pushing Houthis to expand the war into other regions and closing the other straits then people will change their opinion, with time things change and countries adapt but unfortunately in Iran's case, there is no sensible leadership, the new Supreme leader is in hiding, people dont even know if he is alive or dead or just too injured to make any decisions.

okay so?

how can PAk. fix this, we already know all this!

 

[That_Guy]

That is not how international diplomacy works.

First, Saudi Arabia would privately and informally convey requests to Pakistan and Turkey. Only if both countries indicated their willingness would Saudi Arabia issue a formal request; if they showed no such willingness, it would not do so.

If Saudi Arabia were to submit a formal request directly without prior, private, and informal communication, Turkey and Pakistan would find themselves in a highly awkward position; either agreeing or refusing would place them in a very uncomfortable predicament.

I...fail to see how what you wrote contradicts what I said.

Its basically the same thing, except your comment is just a bit more detailed with nuance.