The Mecca Pact’s First Test Has Exposed Its Central Weakness

@Mighty_Dragon_Strike

india is entranched in a economical war against the USA

India is involved in an economic war with US? That is like pitting a mouse against an elephant! What a joke!

Regards
 
@Mighty_Dragon_Strike

india is entranched in a economical war against the USA

India is involved in an economic war with US? That is like pitting a mouse against an elephant! What a joke!

Regards


FYI, 100% tariff on India, being discussed right now, by the Trump administration!

XI interestingly has taken Modi's side, in this matter, at least, ostensibly





now, please eff off!
 
The hard reality is that the House of Saud is the ruling dynasty of Saudi Arabia. Throughout Islamic history, many powerful Muslim states were governed by dynasties. The Ottoman Empire, for example, was ruled by the House of Osman, while the Mughal Empire in India was established and governed by a hereditary dynasty. The Abbasid Caliphate and the Ayyubid dynasty likewise were also ruled by the families.

The important point, IMO, is to distinguish historical debates from the political reality of 2026. The House of Saud is the internationally recognised ruling family of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and there is no internationally recognised rival government claiming sovereignty over the country. Saudi Arabia is a sovereign state whose government maintains diplomatic relations with countries across the world, including Pakistan and Iran.

It is also historically inaccurate to portray the Saudi state simply as a creation of the British. The Al Saud have a much longer political history in the Arabian Peninsula. The First Saudi State was established in the eighteenth century and came into conflict with the Ottoman Empire, eventually being defeated by an Ottoman-Egyptian expedition in 1818. They have had a long struggle against the foreign invaders (including Ottomans) until the Saudi Arabia was established in 1932.

From a Pakistani perspective, the more relevant point is that Pakistan deals with the government of Saudi Arabia as the legitimate government of a sovereign state. Diplomatic agreements, official visits, economic cooperation and security relations are conducted on that basis and it doesn't matter what some terrorists in Yemen think about Saudi Arabia. The main ruling government of Yemen align with the Saudis.

What matters to me that the Houthis must stop attacking oil facilities and Saudis or face the consequences and in that case they will be treated as a terrorist organisation, not the legitimate ruler of Yemen.
You raise valid points.

IMO, collapse of Ottomans was a the biggest disaster of its period of time. It opened the way for colonizers.

How Sauds rebelled against Osmani empire and who helped them is a historical question. Mr Hempher, Lawrence of Arabia etc. UK planned for collapse of Ottomans and establishing its Zionist bastard on the ruins of Osmani empire in occupied Palestine.

The only people that refused rule of Sauds was Yemen and its brave people and till this date they have been fighting for freedom.

They never bend the knee to allies of Britain.
 
@Mighty_Dragon_Strike

FYI, 100% tariff on India, being discussed right now, by the Trump administration!

I know. But it is not a war. It is an impending slaughter of IND economy. As to why USA will pick up a fight against an inconsequential country like IND is something beyond me. In any case, IND is irrelevant to the ME war, beyond maybe supplying arms to ISR and UAE.

Regards
 
Even Trump is hardly trying to deny any friendship or relationship with Epstein. It will be a huge burden and cause of disgrace.

What about gifting veil of holy Ka'aba to that heathen?



im not saudi supporter nor am i epstein supporter

I see things, the way they are!

unless it is proven, these gifts were directly handed over, this claims weakens this argument that MBS had personally gifted these items to MBS.

as I understand, anyone can gift these items to any non-muslim, not just epstein!


I would rather question, why MBS was having a meeting with Esptein in the first place? a person who was in bed with the mossad or CIA or anytother secret agency

does MBS meet with only western secret agencies, thats whats troubling


not the gift or nor any house nor any painting!

it is the leverage, that is questionable, a leverage which any muslim leader does not hold including PAkistani!

who to his day are looking for Saudi jvestment, which the army does for them in deliverance of the personal agends of these kingdoms!
 
@Mighty_Dragon_Strike

FYI, 100% tariff on India, being discussed right now, by the Trump administration!

I know. But it is not a war. It is an impending slaughter of IND. As to why USA will pick up a fight against an inconsequential country against IND is something beyond me. In any case, IND is irrelevant to the ME war, beyond maybe supplying arms to ISR and UAE.

Regards


I would answer any question, please write objectively, dont be too dramatic!
 
@Mighty_Dragon_Strike

To keep it short, how are IND's economic struggles with USA, relevant to the ME crisis.

Regards


pretty clear, if you follow news.

bec. of SOH, shifting balances in Middle east etc etc

list is long, it is so long, person would have to be uneducated or blind to ignore it!
 
Feel sorry for Saudi, they are feeling helpless.
USA and other partners - only statement level support, they are getting.

Now - looking all around to get the support including from Israel

 
Good article on where this conflict is currently and its history. The Houthi-Saudi tussle goes back to the 90's and the Saudis have been meddling in Yemen even before that. References are also made to the Mecca defense pact.

 
Funny enough, you go to Makkah and Madinah and all those Arabic speaking Taxi drivers, workers, people working in hotels… they will say they are Saudis… and you ask the second question and they will say they are Yemenis.

Such a thankless nation similar to Afghans for us. The bottom line is, Houthis need to stop these terrorist attacks or Pakistanis will support ground invasion against Yemen. The common people say is always limited in such matters… for example the majority of Americans are against war with Iran but here we are 6 months passed and America is still trapped in this war.
I guess it’s time for me to get perm banned,
The fact you compared Yemenis to Afghans is a wild take. Yemen history goes back to 3k years known history. They aren’t some low iq people like the Afghans are.

Thankless nation? As I recall Yemenis aren’t in the millions in Saudi Arabia earning and using the system and then cursing SA like afghans have done in Pakistan.
Neither have I observed a suicide bomber in SA vs hundreds of afghans have done in Pakistan. You and some other really pushing these narratives due to your own sectarian and political reasons - I could only attribute to these reasons to make sense of what you and others have written about Yemen.

Pakistan hasn’t staved or conducted an air campaign killing 300k-500k Afghans like the Saudis have done in Yemen. Pakistan hasn’t taken over Afghan territory like the Saudis (Qatar and UAE included) stolen strategic islands in Red Sea from Yemen. Pakistan hasn’t brought in Arab and South American mercenaries to wage war in Afghanistan like what the Sauds and UAE have done so in Yemen.

As for a ground war, get ready to lose Pakistan by actively taking a side in this conflict especially when the whole world sees who’s on whose side. The forces will release will end with Pakistan being dismantled - this I can 100% assure you and every other Pro-Saud commenter here
 
Good article on where this conflict is currently and its history. The Houthi-Saudi tussle goes back to the 90's and the Saudis have been meddling in Yemen even before that. References are also made to the Mecca defense pact.



now, that you have posted, credibility of this article would stright go the bin!

and, many 'seniors' here would even disregard the fact, people dont read newspapers or articles to confirm history

it is the other way round, many people also read newspaper to understand, how truth is shaded as a lie!


BTW, same goes for the personal interests as well.
 
I guess it’s time for me to get perm banned,
The fact you compared Yemenis to Afghans is a wild take. Yemen history goes back to 3k years known history. They aren’t some low iq people like the Afghans are.

Thankless nation? As I recall Yemenis aren’t in the millions in Saudi Arabia earning and using the system and then cursing SA like afghans have done in Pakistan.
Neither have I observed a suicide bomber in SA vs hundreds of afghans have done in Pakistan. You and some other really pushing these narratives due to your own sectarian and political reasons - I could only attribute to these reasons to make sense of what you and others have written about Yemen.

Pakistan hasn’t staved or conducted an air campaign killing 300k-500k Afghans like the Saudis have done in Yemen. Pakistan hasn’t taken over Afghan territory like the Saudis (Qatar and UAE included) stolen strategic islands in Red Sea from Yemen. Pakistan hasn’t brought in Arab and South American mercenaries to wage war in Afghanistan like what the Sauds and UAE have done so in Yemen.

As for a ground war, get ready to lose Pakistan by actively taking a side in this conflict especially when the whole world sees who’s on whose side. The forces will release will end with Pakistan being dismantled - this I can 100% assure you and every other Pro-Saud commenter here


banned or not, you did the job..

who cares, it is only a forum.
 
You raise valid points.

IMO, collapse of Ottomans was a the biggest disaster of its period of time. It opened the way for colonizers.

How Sauds rebelled against Osmani empire and who helped them is a historical question. Mr Hempher, Lawrence of Arabia etc. UK planned for collapse of Ottomans and establishing its Zionist bastard on the ruins of Osmani empire in occupied Palestine.

The only people that refused rule of Sauds was Yemen and its brave people and till this date they have been fighting for freedom.

They never bend the knee to allies of Britain.
Wasn't Yemen colonized by Britain ? Brave Yemenis didn't bend their knees to Sauds , however , they had no problem bending their knees to queen of England...... well Yemenis have standards
 

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