Imran Khan 3 years in solitary confinement

[El Sidd]

Is this supposed to be the original document? Show original document which is carbon dated to prove it's ligitimacy and we'll discuss further.

What is the guarantee that your son will not disown your given word like Abdur Rehmans?

Best solution as per local tradition and culture is to fight it out and whatever one can keep would be theirs.

 

[PashtunAfghan]

What is the guarantee that your son will not disown your given word like Abdur Rehmans?

Best solution as per local tradition and culture is to fight it out and whatever one can keep would be theirs.

First provide the original document that is carbon dated and we'll go from there.

I mean Afghans wouldn't accept it anyways as it's not in our national interest.... but just for a bit of fun

 

[Distant_Observer]

What is the guarantee that your son will not disown your given word like Abdur Rehmans?

Best solution as per local tradition and culture is to fight it out and whatever one can keep would be theirs.

Pakistani Pashtuns should have already done this.

Conquered the tribes across the border, displaced them and taken their women as brides to produce more Pakistani Pashtuns, repopulated and integrated into Pakistan.

They got psyopsed into becoming submissive and are now paying the price.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

When Sheikh Mujibur Rahman’s life was in danger in 1971, India rescued him. When Sheikh Hasina’s life was in danger, India rescued her as well. Today, Imran Khan’s life is at risk, yet I don’t see the same concern from India. In fact, I don’t see much coming from the United States either. US has influence over Pakistan’s military, why isn’t Washington doing more to ensure Imran Khan’s safety?

We forget history so fast. Ask yourself why Malaysian leader Anwar Ibrahim was convicted and imprisoned? Does anyone remember the real reason (not the drama presented to people).
When you have power, and establishment is behind you, you can control the law and judges.

Anwar was prosecuted and jailed by the Malaysian government under Prime Ministers Mahathir Mohamad (in the 1990s) and Najib Razak (in the 2010s).

I am surprised that Pakistani establishment didn’t seek death penalty for Imran Khan.

One thing is for sure, political engineering has destroyed Pakistan and even friends and friendship (deeper than oceans and higher than mountains) are certainly concerned about Pakistan’s future.

 

[El Sidd]

First provide the original document that is carbon dated and we'll go from there.

I mean Afghans wouldn't accept it anyways as it's not in our national interest.... but just for a bit of fun

Having a political or military conflict with Pakistan serves none of your national interests.

Pakistani Pashtuns should have already done this.

Conquered the tribes across the border, displaced them and taken their women as brides to produce more Pakistani Pashtuns, repopulated and integrated into Pakistan.

They got psyopsed into becoming submissive and are now paying the price.

99 percent of Pakistanis have no aims for colonising anyone. The 1 percent have the 99 percent already colonised. A fair open battle is the most logical conclusion to the problem.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

Having a political or military conflict with Pakistan serves none of your national interests.


99 percent of Pakistanis have no aims for colonising anyone. The 1 percent have the 99 percent already colonised. A fair open battle is the most logical conclusion to the problem.

I’m open to holding a referendum in Afghanistan to see which provinces, if any, would want to join Pakistan. I’m fully aware that Pakistani establishment would oppose this idea. For the past 50+ years (after losing east Pakistan), they’ve repeatedly emphasized that Pakistan’s strength comes from the fact that they form the majority in both the military and the broader state structure. And this mindset is the same one you often see among certain upper‑class (Roman Elites) circles, a belief that they are inherently superior and entitled to look down on everyone else. This is the reason we lost East Pakistan.
I don’t think anyone from this forum ever had the opportunity to sit down and have a deep conversations with Bengali speaking Pakistani military personnel (now Bangladeshi). They felt (at least some of them) lack of trust, they were not promoted, and some cases (not all of them) treated as 2nd class.
This exactly how this elite class treating Karachi.

 

[Abdul q]

The Imran Khan hating trolls when I see today i can only conclude one thing

Either they are paid trolls or brainwashed gullible bunch…. Or they live inside cantt walls where there’s no real impact…

there’s no more logic left when i see state of Pakistan in which these matric pass germnails have put in… and i can’t think beyond that pak military is rogue and bought to act against Pakistan s interests.. my infiltration theory was right.. Ind Pak may 2025 conflict i presented yall the future before munira even got to field marshal..
tbh more power to munira (eventually will happen) much deserving this nation…

 

[El Sidd]

I’m open to holding a referendum in Afghanistan to see which provinces, if any, would want to join Pakistan. I’m fully aware that Pakistani establishment would oppose this idea. For the past 50+ years (after losing east Pakistan), they’ve repeatedly emphasized that Pakistan’s strength comes from the fact that they form the majority in both the military and the broader state structure. And this mindset is the same one you often see among certain upper‑class (Roman Elites) circles, a belief that they are inherently superior and entitled to look down on everyone else. This is the reason we lost East Pakistan.
I don’t think anyone from this forum ever had the opportunity to sit down and have a deep conversations with Bengali speaking Pakistani military personnel (now Bangladeshi). They felt (at least some of them) lack of trust, they were not promoted, and some cases (not all of them) treated as 2nd class.
This exactly how this elite class treating Karachi.

How are people like you so sure about sentiments in Afghanistan? They don't seem to have consensus on anything over there apart from the very fact that they are Afghans, a distinct separate nation.

Beyond a rudimentary generic commentary of usually 2-3 sentences, rest of all your posting history is propaganda against the State for alleged persecution of minorities with Pakistan Army as the ultimate target of critic and ridicule.

 

[Master Chief]

First provide the original document that is carbon dated and we'll go from there.

I mean Afghans wouldn't accept it anyways as it's not in our national interest.... but just for a bit of fun

What garbage cope is this?? You want to examine it under a microscope or something?

It exists.

Afghanistan's official position, which you should be aware of, is NOT that the Durand agreement is somehow forged, but that it was signed "under duress" by Abdur Rehman Khan.

It is not Pakistan's problem that Abdur Rehman Khan may or may not have been under duress or was otherwise claimed to be lacking capacity when signing this document. Take your complaint to your own leaders and ask them to fight against their perceived enemies instead of bequeathing them your females.

 

[Musings]

What garbage cope is this?? You want to examine it under a microscope or something?

It exists.

Afghanistan's official position, which you should be aware of, is NOT that the Durand agreement is somehow forged, but that it was signed "under duress" by Abdur Rehman Khan.

It is not Pakistan's problem that Abdur Rehman Khan may or may not have been under duress or was otherwise claimed to be lacking capacity when signing this document. Take your complaint to your own leaders and ask them to fight against their perceived enemies instead of bequeathing them your females.

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A case of take the horse to water but alas cant force the Afghani to drink……… catch my drift?

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

How are people like you so sure about sentiments in Afghanistan? They don't seem to have consensus on anything over there apart from the very fact that they are Afghans, a distinct separate nation.

Beyond a rudimentary generic commentary of usually 2-3 sentences, rest of all your posting history is propaganda against the State for alleged persecution of minorities with Pakistan Army as the ultimate target of critic and ridicule.

I think you’ve forgotten a lot of Pakistani history.

I could sit here and write a very long article, bring up dates, governments, military interventions, political engineering, constitutional crises, and all the decisions that have brought Pakistan to where it is today. I could give you reference after reference.

But honestly, I don’t think I need to.

For me, three simple verses from the Qur’an say enough.

“Indeed, Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” (Qur’an 13:11)

Think about that for a moment.

If a country keeps making the same mistakes, keeps protecting the same people from accountability, keeps weakening its institutions, and keeps expecting a different result, how can anything really change?

Then Allah says:

“And do not incline toward those who do wrong, lest the Fire touch you…” (Qur’an 11:113)

To me, this is a serious warning. We shouldn’t defend wrongdoing simply because the person doing it belongs to an institution we respect or support.

And then there is this:

“Indeed, Allah commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and, when you judge between people, to judge with justice.” (Qur’an 4:58)

Power is a trust.

Running a country is a trust.

Having authority over people’s lives is a trust.

And that trust comes with accountability.

I love Pakistan, and that’s exactly why I have a problem with the idea that criticizing the people or institutions responsible for major decisions somehow means you are against Pakistan.

It doesn’t.

Pakistan is not the same thing as its politicians.

Pakistan is not the same thing as its military.

Pakistan is not the same thing as its intelligence agencies.

Pakistan is its people and the people have every right to ask difficult questions about the institutions that exercise power in their name.

We can argue about individual events and interpretations. We can disagree about who is responsible for what. That’s normal.

But we shouldn’t rewrite history simply because the truth is uncomfortable.

And we shouldn’t call everything we disagree with “propaganda.”

If someone is wrong, show where they are wrong.

If their facts are incorrect, correct them.

If their interpretation is different, explain why.

That’s how an honest discussion works.

Blindly defending any institution, civilian or military, isn’t patriotism.

Accountability is not hatred of Pakistan.

Criticism is not betrayal.

And asking those who hold power to answer for their decisions is not anti-state.

Sometimes, if we genuinely love our country, we have to be willing to ask uncomfortable questions about why we are where we are and whether the people entrusted with power have actually fulfilled that trust.

That is not hatred for Pakistan.

That is caring enough about Pakistan to want better.

Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:
“Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”

I would rather follow Quran & Sunnah than Establishment.

 

[Owaiz]

But ask why Imran doesn't want to cut a deal? And instead is hoping for some revolution where he will be freed from jail by army of zombie terrorists and he will cut head of all his opposition.

Hopefully after failure of 27st september march Afridi can go back and be a CM.

Not everyone is Nawaz Sharif, who will cut any deal to save their skins. Some people are willing to pay the price of sticking to their principles, but I don't expect a Patwari to understand that.

 

[Owaiz]

PTI threatening to turn Islamabad into Somnath. See these are pashto leaders, the venom they have in their veins have only one cure. Shot anyone who dare to cross Swabi let alone get anywhere near Islamabad. And then they will say look we are not terrorists, punjabis made us do this.

Don't bring ethnic BS into this. PTI is far more popular in Punjab that L league.

 

[El Sidd]

I think you’ve forgotten a lot of Pakistani history.

I could sit here and write a very long article, bring up dates, governments, military interventions, political engineering, constitutional crises, and all the decisions that have brought Pakistan to where it is today. I could give you reference after reference.

But honestly, I don’t think I need to.

For me, three simple verses from the Qur’an say enough.

“Indeed, Allah does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves.” (Qur’an 13:11)

Think about that for a moment.

If a country keeps making the same mistakes, keeps protecting the same people from accountability, keeps weakening its institutions, and keeps expecting a different result, how can anything really change?

Then Allah says:

“And do not incline toward those who do wrong, lest the Fire touch you…” (Qur’an 11:113)

To me, this is a serious warning. We shouldn’t defend wrongdoing simply because the person doing it belongs to an institution we respect or support.

And then there is this:

“Indeed, Allah commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and, when you judge between people, to judge with justice.” (Qur’an 4:58)

Power is a trust.

Running a country is a trust.

Having authority over people’s lives is a trust.

And that trust comes with accountability.

I love Pakistan, and that’s exactly why I have a problem with the idea that criticizing the people or institutions responsible for major decisions somehow means you are against Pakistan.

It doesn’t.

Pakistan is not the same thing as its politicians.

Pakistan is not the same thing as its military.

Pakistan is not the same thing as its intelligence agencies.

Pakistan is its people and the people have every right to ask difficult questions about the institutions that exercise power in their name.

We can argue about individual events and interpretations. We can disagree about who is responsible for what. That’s normal.

But we shouldn’t rewrite history simply because the truth is uncomfortable.

And we shouldn’t call everything we disagree with “propaganda.”

If someone is wrong, show where they are wrong.

If their facts are incorrect, correct them.

If their interpretation is different, explain why.

That’s how an honest discussion works.

Blindly defending any institution, civilian or military, isn’t patriotism.

Accountability is not hatred of Pakistan.

Criticism is not betrayal.

And asking those who hold power to answer for their decisions is not anti-state.

Sometimes, if we genuinely love our country, we have to be willing to ask uncomfortable questions about why we are where we are and whether the people entrusted with power have actually fulfilled that trust.

That is not hatred for Pakistan.

That is caring enough about Pakistan to want better.

Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:
“Whosoever of you sees an evil, let him change it with his hand; and if he is not able to do so, then [let him change it] with his tongue; and if he is not able to do so, then with his heart — and that is the weakest of faith.”

I would rather follow Quran & Sunnah than Establishment.

The Friday sentiments are appreciated and even respected but the lengthy sermons do not answer the question posed on Afghan sentiments on your one sided love affair with them.

To draw parallels, Bengalis were equally ethnocentric and equally supremacist.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

The Friday sentiments are appreciated and even respected but the lengthy sermons do not answer the question posed on Afghan sentiments on your one sided love affair with them.

To draw parallels, Bengalis were equally ethnocentric and equally supremacist.

Look, your circle is so small it’s basically a tight echo chamber, and that’s why your thinking feels boxed in. What I said isn’t just my personal take, majority of Pakhtoons in the Pakistani army feel the same way. They don’t see innocent Afghan civilians as enemies; only the ones actually involved in terrorism.

honestly, after reading you respose, it really does come off as contradictory. Pakistan names its missiles after legendary Afghan rulers, yet somehow there’s hostility toward everyday Afghans. That’s a pretty strange mix.

In my opinion, a more thoughtful response would have been to acknowledge that regions up to Kabul share deep historical ties with Pakistan, and that if any Afghan province ever chose to join Pakistan willingly, we would welcome them.

If you still didn’t understand, let me know. I will give you lots historical and current examples.

I have many friends from Bangladesh and funny enough, they love Imran Khan. They always ask me about him.

Bengalis are united even though, they have different accents and dialects. Why we failed to United? Because our establishment wanted to keep us divided.