India Has Lost Air Superiority to Pakistan, No Jets Left to Fight
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Irfan Baloch
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
samsite84
SpeedLimited
And yet...
Drop in terrorism
More international defense exports
PA tied up inside Pakistan battling internal situation
Wish that India remains a failure... else,
atmi_bum
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India's defense budget is almost nine times that of Pakistan's, yet Pakistan has fielded an Air Force that is both robust and at full strength. Its indigenous JF-17 program is more successful than the Tejas, which is not yet operational. What is PAC doing better than HAL? It has rapidly acquired J-10CEs, and J-35Es are coming soon, giving it fifth-generation fighter capability while India is nowhere close to achieving it.
I don't know what the Indian government is doing, but it's not enough. The IAF should be given higher priority, with more resources. PSU's like HAL need to be reformed or just privatized. Perhaps giving the private sector more contracts will help. But whatever the problems are, they need to be addressed.
I don't know what the Indian government is doing, but it's not enough. The IAF should be given higher priority, with more resources. PSU's like HAL need to be reformed or just privatized. Perhaps giving the private sector more contracts will help. But whatever the problems are, they need to be addressed.
atmi_bum
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No one said India was a failure. There are many successes, but the IAF still has shortcomings that need to be addressed.
Trailer23
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What or should I ask where exactly is the money be transfered.
9 Times and yet your Air Force just recently retired the MiG-21.
It (still) tragically fields the Jaguar and has started buying used airframes from God knows where all.
There could be an argument made for the MiG-29, but its still a potent a/c & certainly has more life in it - than the Jag.
Keeping the JF-17/Tejas out of the conversation, but, how is it possible for a Nation that has a Defence budget 9-Times more than the adversary to have got 16 More Jets (36 Rafales), compared to 20 (J-10c) - since the last Air Skirmish.
No Offence, but all of your Indian Military Forum & Podcast say with you kind of Defence Budget & "bhikari" Pakistan's state, it will be a walk-over Pakistan.
For arguments sake if there were NO winners after last year's conflict - how much of a walk-over do you think Pakistan truly is?
With India's budget - you should have inducting 2 Squadrons every year & i'm not talking about that flying garbage TEJAs which truly is a cursed jet - no matter how much any of you may pretend to like.
samsite84
SpeedLimited
No disagreements on requirement to do better esp. the fighter aircraft part (dogfights / aerial superiority). On A2G, IAF is far superior as we saw in Sindoor. In A2A, PAF is equivalent in short skirmishes, in longer duration (a month) - I believe IAF will have the edge.
maxpane
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already work going on in this domain . may be you did not get the news og Pak buying satellites from china with Tot
PakSat-2: Pakistan Advances $134m Satellite Project | Quwa
Pakistan's $134m PakSat-2 project would replace PakSat-1R. Explore its potential SATCOM capacity, X-band options and the rationale for a third GEO satellite.
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Blain2
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
And yet...
Pakistan carries on despite the local terrorism abetted by India
Security alignment and greater defense interactions with countless countries in the ME
No reduction in Indian military deployment in IIOK (near 700,000) because the threat of the Kashmir freedom movement/insurgency remains
Much better economic fundamentals than before, better alignment with multiple power centers including China, US and the EU.
Unconventional wisdom: Pakistan is accustomed to instability..nothing stops..life goes on multiple other fronts with resilience.
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Meengla
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I saw the OP video. Interesting and sobering for Indians. The following video says about the same things but in more generic way. The analyst saying expects a conflict between India and Pakistan between 6-9 months and that India should initiate the conflict before Pakistan inches too far ahead of India in war preparedness. The video also says some totally rubbish like Pakistan is preparing 100,000 suicide bombers to invade India!
Meengla
Elite Member
You, my friend, always nail it! Plus look at how India and Pakistan look to the Westerners who go to both countries. Even the popular NZ blogger Carl Rock, who is married to an Indian and lives in India, carefully points out the better aspects of Pakistan.
The negative perceptions and downhill trajectory of Pakistan in the blogspace is exaggerated where many Pakistanis are targeting Pakistan due to Pakistan's domestic politics and such Pakistanis are duly aided by the Indian and the Afghan bloggers. But in reality Pakistan has improved a lot since the near-collapse of 2022/23 and is going to keep improving unless there is a major regional war which drags Pakistan in deeply.
White Privilege
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Goenitz
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My focus was on self-reliance. I know Pak has sent already setallites in 2025 which can cover India but not 24 hours. Even Wion reported that. Howeevr, we cannot send it on demand as we don't have launch vehicle.already work going on in this domain . may be you did not get the news og Pak buying satellites from china with Tot
PakSat-2: Pakistan Advances $134m Satellite Project | Quwa
Pakistan's $134m PakSat-2 project would replace PakSat-1R. Explore its potential SATCOM capacity, X-band options and the rationale for a third GEO satellite.
we are getting loans upon loans. No big company is investing in Pakistan. In opposite, we are investing in Trump's relative company. Excluding India, we have 48% poor people who earn less than 3$ per day till Morocco.
The number of expacts has doubled last year.
