Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags202]

The guy in the article was a veteran and gave some interview to Rainews an Italian channel so the main source is not RT.

Tactical nuke could have been used on the deserted area south of Basra for area denial. Far from main population centers and too small yield to be detected by nearby countries. Iran at 1991 didnt have the means to precisely measure if the explosion was nuclear or not. It requires air assets for measurement if you are not close to the deployed site.

Still it may or may not be fake but the point was we cannot be 100% sure that it wasn't used. So we wont be sure in future usages of this type of weapon as well especially when used on a deserted site like mountain bases or similar.

Man let’s just move on if that’s what you believe may be true just leave it at that

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

The guy in the article was a veteran and gave some interview to Rainews an Italian channel so the main source is not RT.

Tactical nuke could have been used on the deserted area south of Basra for area denial. Far from main population centers and too small yield to be detected by nearby countries. Iran at 1991 didnt have the means to precisely measure if the explosion was nuclear or not. It requires air assets for measurement if you are not close to the deployed site.

Still it may or may not be fake but the point was we cannot be 100% sure that it wasn't used. So we wont be sure in future usages of this type of weapon as well especially when used on a deserted site like mountain bases or similar.

Well then, let's take a look at a map of the Basra area:



Hard for me to comprehend "area denial" . And from a slightly different view:



Given the proximity to Kuwait as well as three Iranian cities, I'm going to chalk this up to "it never happened". Especially since Highway 80 was the "Highway of Death". We got to see what happened along the route.

 

[retaxis]

The guy in the article was a veteran and gave some interview to Rainews an Italian channel so the main source is not RT.

Tactical nuke could have been used on the deserted area south of Basra for area denial. Far from main population centers and too small yield to be detected by nearby countries. Iran at 1991 didnt have the means to precisely measure if the explosion was nuclear or not. It requires air assets for measurement if you are not close to the deployed site.

Still it may or may not be fake but the point was we cannot be 100% sure that it wasn't used. So we wont be sure in future usages of this type of weapon as well especially when used on a deserted site like mountain bases or similar.

Only country crazy enough to use nukes is Israel but they know if they use nukes, Pakistan and maybe China and NK is going to end up gifting nukes to all the major powers in middle east overtime to even the scales.

No one is stupid enough to use nukes especially when it allows Pakistan to offset numerical advantage of india with nukes, or NK using nukes against Japanese military rise/fascism. Whose to stop Russia from using its massive arsenal of nukes or any other country for that matter to just start dropping nukes e.g. France in Sahel region to regain power.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

I highly doubt Pakistan is going to "gift" nuclear weapons to the major powers in the ME.

Seriously, how do you come up with this stuff?

 

[retaxis]

I highly doubt Pakistan is going to "gift" nuclear weapons to the major powers in the ME.

Seriously, how do you come up with this stuff?

So if Israel starts nuking its neighbours, Pakistan will not help with spreading nukes to its muslim brothers?

 

[Shags202]

I highly doubt Pakistan is going to "gift" nuclear weapons to the major powers in the ME.

Seriously, how do you come up with this stuff?

I don’t know what post was regarding honestly tired af hot October about to sleep but if we are talking about Saudis if not an actual weapon the tools to make one at home for sure nothing is free in the world Pakistanis are told that by Saudis constantly

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[Shags202]

So if Israel starts nuking its neighbours, Pakistan will not help with spreading nukes to its muslim brothers?

Im basically with you on that just for Saudis at keast

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[retaxis]

Im basically with you on that just for Saudis at keast

If Israel or US uses nukes there would be huge proliferation of nukes around the globe. now 9 countries have nukes but as soon as Israel starts nuking its neighbours that number will climb astronomically.

Why else would trump do everything he can to stop the use of nukes because he doesn't want a world full of nukes

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

So if Israel starts nuking its neighbours, Pakistan will not help with spreading nukes to its muslim brothers?

Don't try to shift the goal posts.

Frankly, I don't think the rational minds in Pakistan care about what happens in the Arab countries. It's not their fight.

Now, if Israel were to nuke an Arab country or possibly Iran, the fallout would likely pass over Pakistan. At that point, who knows what the Pakistani response would be.

In the meantime, let's try and stick to hypotheses that are a little more grounded in reality.

 

[Immortals]

Yes Iran made a lot of mistakes but no one makes all the right moves. CPC made so many mistakes from 50s to 70s even starving tens of millions to death but then turned everything around. Hopefully IRGC can make the necessary changes when the american boot is on its neck.

CPC were saved because Mao died and his idiotic economic policies were no longer followed. But at least you can say Mao defended China against America and resisted America physically.

Ali Khamenai had neither an economic renaissance nor made Iran safer during his rule/reign.

So, Khamenai Sr will go down as one of the most useless leaders Iran had in its history and far surpassing Mao’s incompetence.

 

[retaxis]

Don't try to shift the goal posts.

Maybe go back to read my original post as you seem to have just skipped everything: Only country crazy enough to use nukes is Israel but they know if they use nukes, Pakistan and maybe China and NK is going to end up gifting nukes to all the major powers in middle east overtime to even the scales.

Sounds like you shifted the goal post to something that no one is even aware of.

 

[Immortals]

 

[vizier]

Only country crazy enough to use nukes is Israel but they know if they use nukes, Pakistan and maybe China and NK is going to end up gifting nukes to all the major powers in middle east overtime to even the scales.

No one is stupid enough to use nukes especially when it allows Pakistan to offset numerical advantage of india with nukes, or NK using nukes against Japanese military rise/fascism. Whose to stop Russia from using its massive arsenal of nukes or any other country for that matter to just start dropping nukes e.g. France in Sahel region to regain power.

When the other side has nukes or a similar option it wont be used. Ukraine can get tactical nukes immediately from Eu claiming they are building themselves if Russia uses tactical nukes. They would possibly launch a few on contested Crimea as a retaliation so Russia wont be using nukes anytime soon.

If israel uses nukes on Iran then Saudis will get nukes possibly under control of Pakistan. No one will gift anything to Iran but fortunately Iran has the dirty bomb option and bm delivery systems so it would be hard to openly use nukes on Iran. But they can try mini tactical nukes on mountain bases disguised as moabs. As this is the most effective way to penetrate deep underground bases.

NK can donate bombs-designs to Iran but delivering parts to Iran is difficult. Also I doubt these bombs-designs would work or not or another trap for Iran. After venezuela fiasco oil deal we saw that many anti american type of governments are actually very pro american from the inside.