Cross the Rubicon - Charting a path for a militarized Pakistan through the next war with India

[Meengla]

India had a great relationship with Pakistan during 1999 as well. But that didn't stop militants(your army) from entering Kashmir and start a skirmish. At that time you said it wasn't official, then details came later about the 'officiality' of it. The Mumbai attacks was well planned and coordinated, multiple intel agencies were involved in the investigation including those from Denmark, US, Canada, UK. Heck some of them were listening in on your people. The thing is Musharaff by the time had become a lame duck. He was probably not even aware of what his ISI or even the army was doing behind his back or maybe he did, we never know. Either way it's just like what he did to Mian Sharif in 99, he had no clue the whole thing will snowball. Like I said, big operational planning zero thought on consequences.

The Kargil operation by Musharraf was a mistake but its goals were far larger than attacking some hotel in Mumbai. No comparison between the two. If Pakistani state needs to bleed India then there are other ways than to attack some hotel. India, like Pakistan, is a poor nation with many internal faultlines to exploit by foreign powers. I absolutely don't believe Musharraf wouldn't know what ISI was up to: The Army Chief is the Army Chief in Pakistan--no lame ducks.
Anyway, you are free to believe what you want to believe.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

The Kargil operation by Musharraf was a mistake but its goals were far larger than attacking some hotel in Mumbai. No comparison between the two. If Pakistani state needs to bleed India then there are other ways than to attack some hotel. India, like Pakistan, is a poor nation with many internal faultlines to exploit by foreign powers. I absolutely don't believe Musharraf wouldn't know what ISI was up to: The Army Chief is the Army Chief in Pakistan--no lame ducks.
Anyway, you are free to believe what you want to believe.

Like I said before, multiple agencies in different countries covered your involvement. It doesn't matter if it was an official action or unofficial, the fact of the matter is it was you. You should apply your logic in reverse, do you think a trained group of people would cross over to India and initiate an urban warfare against defenseless people without the knowledge of your intel agencies? Remember they were heavily armed with explosives.
Also Musharaff wasn't army chief in 2008, he wasn't even the ruler (my mistake not noticing it) when Mumbai attacks happened, why would Manmohan Musharaff talks have any weight in that regard. Maybe the new army chief Kayani wanted to prolong the military rule, maybe he expected a war in response to the attacks.

 

[Yasser76]

Like I said before, multiple agencies in different countries covered your involvement. It doesn't matter if it was an official action or unofficial, the fact of the matter is it was you. You should apply your logic in reverse, do you think a trained group of people would cross over to India and initiate an urban warfare against defenseless people without the knowledge of your intel agencies? Remember they were heavily armed with explosives.
Also Musharaff wasn't army chief in 2008, he wasn't even the ruler (my mistake not noticing it) when Mumbai attacks happened, why would Manmohan Musharaff talks have any weight in that regard. Maybe the new army chief Kayani wanted to prolong the military rule, maybe he expected a war in response to the attacks.

Is that why even the Malaysian PM is on record during an interview with Indian TV stating his intelliegence agencies do not believe Indian claims?

F88K me if the malaysians can figure it out Europe, US, Russians and rest of the world has, so yeah, keep belating on, no one os buying it any more and when you even get bitch slapped by a serving Malaysian PM you know things are bad

 

[retaxis]

That is the issue. You literally cannot. You cannot sign a deal for whatever reason, and if you did your Rafails would turn up in around 6-7 years.

So yes, be happy sitting on billions of dollars and still being outnumbered in AESA fighter planes by the PAF.....

Indian incompetence can not be outmatched. Thinking they can fight a war with a country that can easily replenish its stocks like China is the ultimate delusion. India will have lost its entire arsenal in the first month of war and the rest will be begging for food and surrender.

 

[Meengla]

Indian incompetence can not be outmatched. Thinking they can fight a war with a country that can easily replenish its stocks like China is the ultimate delusion. India will have lost its entire arsenal in the first month of war and the rest will be begging for food and surrender.

India has never defeated Pakistan unless you factor in the peculiar, impossible circumstances in the then East Pakistan in 1971. Forget China, Pakistan is too much for India.
IMO, India could lose the Indian Occupied Kashmir to a Pakistan-China combine under right circumstances. And those may not be more than 1-2 decades afar.

 

[RescueRanger]

Like I said before, multiple agencies in different countries covered your involvement. It doesn't matter if it was an official action or unofficial, the fact of the matter is it was you. You should apply your logic in reverse, do you think a trained group of people would cross over to India and initiate an urban warfare against defenseless people without the knowledge of your intel agencies? Remember they were heavily armed with explosives.
Also Musharaff wasn't army chief in 2008, he wasn't even the ruler (my mistake not noticing it) when Mumbai attacks happened, why would Manmohan Musharaff talks have any weight in that regard. Maybe the new army chief Kayani wanted to prolong the military rule, maybe he expected a war in response to the attacks.

Enjoy your thread ban, you really can't help yourself. You literally come into every thread to derail and type walls of text without even spacing paragraphs.

Metric fail mentality.