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First, there is no information or even real interest from Egypt in American aircraft.

I posted this article on page 12 of this thread. I copied & pasted the entire thing on post #177.
And this was from this past February 4th, so it's only a few months ago and not an old article.

Egypt is reportedly in negotiations with Italy and the United States to acquire Eurofighter Typhoon and F-15 fighter jets.​

Link.

We discussed this a little bit that day. The article said that the deal will NOT include the Meteor or AMRAAMs and it also mentioned Sisi is insisting on either the two or at least the meteor for sure and he won't accept a $3.1 Billion deal for 24 Typhoons if they don't include the meteors which is good! And he should do the same for the F-15s which if you think about it, stem back to CAATSA and the Su-35 deal. They were "compensation" for backing out of the 30 Su-35S.

But if the Italians (Typhoon) and the Americans (F-15) and even the French (new Rafales) stick to their guns, what happens then? What are Egypt's options? You see how we have our balls tied up to a rope? It hurts!

Even if we were able to either buy the ASTRA from India or the PL-15 or build our own AMRAAM, these jackoffs won't allow us to integrate them on any of our current or prospective platforms.

We won't be able to buy anything. This is why this problem is much bigger than some people realize. All the cards are stacked against us.

If the Americans refused to provide Egypt with the smallest weapons, such as the Javelin missile or the AIM-120 missile, would Egypt turn to America, regardless of the offers and temptations, even if for free?

We've accepted 240 F-16s without the AIM-120 for free and even the upgrade to block 40 didn't included them nor the advanced IFF sensor package. We had to create our own IFF.

We've not only accepted but paid for 24 Rafales without the promise of upgrading them to being meteor capable since we bought the F3 which still hadn't been set up to fire the missile. We don't even know if they've really been upgraded to F3-R standard. So yes, unfortunately I would say we do settle for less than the top advanced platforms because we really have no choice and they're better than nothing. Heck even with the MiG-29M/M2 they didn't order them with the latest R-77-1 (RVV-AE) and got the older standard R-77 despite the former being available. Or even any of the longer-range R-27M/E/EM/ER etc. Not a single R-27!! I can never figure out for the life of me why they didn't get those missiles. Maybe Putin is actually subservient to the demonic entity next door just like the US?

And I'm sorry, I don't subscribe to the theory that they hide these things and that they're unknown and all that. I don't buy it. That might've been the case with the Tor-M & Buk-M series and the Protivnik-GE radar but then guess what? We eventually saw them as they simply can't hide them forever, right? Not only that, with all the Israeli sources you're familiar with, they would've picked up on those purchases and announced them in complaint in a heartbeat. So I'm sorry, I don't buy that theory for a minute, certainly not for the larger weapons systems.

If the Americans refused to provide Egypt with the smallest weapons, such as the Javelin missile or the AIM-120 missile, would Egypt turn to America, regardless of the offers and temptations, even if for free?

Yes. We've done it before there is nothing to suggest they wouldn't do it again. If they made a better effort and actually made announcements to suggest they will not accept this & that or whatever, then yes I would believe it. But they SUCK at that public relations aspect and never say anything. So in that case, I won't believe any of that until either they actually announce them, or we see them. They chose to be that way so the hell with them. I won't support them blindly just because of nationalism and loyalty. They owe the Egyptian people some explanations so we can believe them and if they don't want to, then fine. I believe it when I see it, that's just me. Anyone else wants to believe otherwise, that's their prerogative.

European, Russian, and perhaps Chinese sources are the basis for the fighters

And the European & Russians have proven that they'll happily take our money but still not provide us with the top advanced missiles. And I bet you 1 million $ the Chinese will do the same exact thing. There is nothing that suggests otherwise so until there is some proof that things would be diffferent with these countries, then fine. Let's see the 30 new Rafale show up with Meteors hanging off the belly pylons and then I'll believe it. Let's see at least the MiG-29Ms with the RVV-AE or the R-27 and I'll believe it. The Chinese I'm afraid will bever happen and we don't need to introduce a 3rd weapons systems to our already convoluted logistics IMO. But again, that's just me.

Egypt does not announce everything it has, and the Egyptian camouflage is different from the Congo's camouflage, and Egypt is always committed to publishing pictures of the first aircraft of some models.
The departure of the Mirage aircraft is normal. The aircraft entered in the seventies and early 1970s. Therefore, it is normal for them to be removed from service after 40 years, while the upgraded aircraft will extend its lifespan for a number of additional years.

I was just asking if the Mirage 5s have been retired or are they still active. That's all. It seems like all we see nowadays are the 2Ks and no more 5s.

I gave a very simple analysis. Egypt canceled the SU-57 deal first because it was not ready. The AL-51 engine was not ready, and even Algeria itself will receive it after the AL-51 engine is ready.

"Cancelled the Su-57 deal"? That's news to me that they even had a deal for the Su-57 in the first place lol. Are you sure about that? I'm on several Russian websites & forums and keep up with all the latest info on their exports and even who's delegations are at MAKS exercises & exhibits to see who's interested and never, ever heard of the EAF having a deal for the Su-57.

Maybe you mean "they were interested" in the Su-57 and then decided to wait for the new engine to be available before making a deal. That's entirely different from having a deal that they cancelled.

Egypt has not announced any deals with the Russians except the old KA-52/MIG-29/S-300V deals,

And now there's a problem with the Ka-52 and the Mi-8/17s in the EAF as the President-S EW defensive system has been compromise with the high rate of losses the Russians suffered in the Ukraine in the early days of the war. They've lost over 200 Ka-52s and now they're forced to develop a new system to replace the Vibestk/President-S because with those losses, the system has fallen in the Ukrainians' hands which undoubtedly have given the US & UK for reverse engineering. Now Rostec or whomever is designing a new ADS system to replace the Vibestk & Pres-S on the new Ka-52M that is just coming out. Another unfortunate consequence of the Russian war in Ukraine.

but in reality the Israelis are talking about Egypt getting more Russian fighters and even hinting that Egypt has a Russian alternative to the F-35.

WUUUUUUUTTTTT?!?!?!? Are they mentally ill? lamlamalaaaaooooo! The Jews have literally lost their gaddam minds! lol. What the frig is out there that is an alternative to the F-35 besides all the local 5th gen aircraft currently being produced like the KAAN and the Korean one etc., none of which are even close to being available for their own air forces let alone supplied to Egypt. Let's get real, here. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard so far (not from you, Sami, but from the zionist) LOL. Crazy bastards. They must be referring to the Rafale when they say that. Them silly donkeys.

You know, if America had given Egypt 48 F-15E planes for free, along with AIM-120 missiles and modern American ammunition, we would have actually said that Egypt had canceled the SU-35 deal, but nothing was simply done.

Ok, let me tell you how I see this entire ordeal with the Su-35. When the orange baboon was president of the United States, and that was when the Su-35 pictures for the EAF ones were starting to flood the internet, I think we all remember then not only secretary of state Mike Pompeo but also Mark Esper the secretary of defense BOTH warned Egypt in a full statement and in a congressional meeting that they would activate CAATSA on Egypt if it would go through with the Su-35 deal, I'm sure you remember that, right? Here it is for those who might have a hazy memory.

US Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warned that if Egypt goes ahead with its planned purchase of the Russian built Sukhoi Su-35 super flanker fighter jet, the US could enact sanctions on Egypt through the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act of 2017 (CAATSA). Source.

Now this is no joke and it is clear as day that Sisi does not want any sanctions from the most powerful country in the history of mankind. He will never jeoperdize the economic frailty of Egypt over 30 Su-35s no matter how awesome they are. And this contract was signed in 2017 and the aircraft were ready for delivery in 2020/21 so it's been 4 years since those aircraft were built and we've seen absolutely nothing about them being in Egypt except for a couple of donkeys on YouTube (and here unfortunately) who claim they've seen them in hangars in Egypt and all that silliness.

Look, Sami, if there is anyone out there who would go dancing naked in the streets from joy if the Su-35s were in fact in Egypt with EAF insignia on them even with just the RVV-SD lol, it would be me! Look at all the pictures I post on here and all the discussions I have about that aircraft. My obsession is out of control about those because it's a potent aircraft and would elevate the EAF exponentially so much more than they already are. With all that said, if anyone would want to believe that there is some secrecy involved and that they are in fact still on the menu (so to speak) it is this guy. But I am way too objective about everything that I refuse to believe what cannot be proven. It's a simple concept, really. So I apologize if I'm just not on board with the theory that the deal is not cancelled until I see proof otherwise. That's just me and who cares what I really think anyway lol.

The naive talk that it is not possible to hide advertising planes from any party is for reasons. Why do the Americans announce the presence of weapons deposited in Egypt except for another purpose, which is to supply Israel with other weapons? The Egyptians. Let us assume that one of them published a picture of one of the banned weapons. Would he risk publishing a picture and being imprisoned for several years?
Secondly, the presence of aircraft at medium altitudes does not reveal their type. Are satellites monitoring the airspace from more than 40 Egyptian air bases 24 hours a day?

Ok, let's go with the theory that the Su-35s (or at least some of them) are in fact in Egyptian hangars. What then? What is the end goal? Are they hiding them so that the US doesn't know? Really? You think that's even remotely possible? Why risk such an idiotic thing if the threat of sanctions will always be looming? What is the use of doing such a thing? Will they be useful? 4 years since they've been available and they're just sitting in hangars and not flying? Because you know if they were flying, the whole world would know about them. It makes no sense that they would risk sanctions over 30 Su-35s no matter how awesome those jets are. And on top of all that, the majority of them (at least 22) were seen STILL in Russia just as of last year around this time when Kim Jong-un visited Russia and we all saw the pics.

You know, if America had given Egypt 48 F-15E planes for free, along with AIM-120 missiles and modern American ammunition, we would have actually said that Egypt had canceled the SU-35 deal, but nothing was simply done.

Well that's what we're about to find out with these current negotiations for the Typhoons plus F-15s if they succeed.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, the EAF has not made the cancellation of the Su-35 official just yet because it's all contingent on if the US supplies the F-15 with AMRAAMs? And the Typhoons with Meteor? So they're using the Su-35 as a bargaining chip? That theory I could buy. There's a slight possibility that could be the case because it's reasonable and makes a lot more sense than all the "hiding in hangars" and not taking the threat of CAATSA seriously etc.

Do you want to surprise Saudi Arabia? It negotiated and obtained many Russian weapons, not only armored vehicles, tanks, and air defense systems, but also fighter jets, all of which are stored and only appear in times of need. This information I obtained from one of the Russians.

Has Israel announced that Egypt has canceled the SU-35 deal yet? Of course not

That would be the least trustworthy source ever. If it wasn't cancelled, they would be complaining and bitching left & right about it you can bet that.

Other information: The Russians’ production lines for the Su-35 since 2014 include Russian exports and production for the Russian Air Force. In the period between 2014-2020 Russia obtained 100 SU-35 aircraft, China obtained 24, and a number were produced for export to other countries. Simply put, the annual production rate is at least 24 aircraft. We heard a lot of news that Iran will acquire Egyptian planes The volume of Russian production from 2020 to 2024 Egypt's requests included 30 Requests of the Russian Air Force 28 So there are more than 20 other aircraft remaining. Why has Iran not obtained them yet, whether the Egyptian aircraft or the other 20+ aircraft?

I don't know, why? Are you saying they're hiding them also? Not sure I understand the point you're making.

There are confirmed facts that Egypt is under economic pressure from America and an arms embargo. So why does Egypt care about America’s approval? You are fighting economically in any case.

Because it would be 100x worse if they implement CAATSA, that's why. And what economic pressure from America is Egypt under now that you are referring to exactly?

Egypt has not succeeded in manufacturing weapons, so it is forced to buy fighters in large numbers because it will not have any available fighters in times of war. Also, the high levels of threats, whether from Israel, Turkey, Ethiopia, or the collapse of the Sudanese state and the Libyan state, force Egypt to increase its stockpiles of fighters

I agree. A lot of people used to say "why is Egypt spending so much money on its military for all this new & modern weaponry? They don't need all that they don't have any threats" hahaha. Little do they know. Egypt is surrounded by all the threats you just mentioned including the cretin vermin inside of Egypt itself. And there's the biggest threat of all that we're all VERY familiar with and I, for one, am very happy at the way the military is taking all the precautions it has so far to mitigate that threat from the neighbors to the northeast.

Sorry about the long reply post. It's the only way I can address all your points.

 

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I posted this article on page 12 of this thread. I copied & pasted the entire thing on post #177.
And this was from this past February 4th, so it's only a few months ago and not an old article.

Egypt is reportedly in negotiations with Italy and the United States to acquire Eurofighter Typhoon and F-15 fighter jets.​

Link.

We discussed this a little bit that day. The article said that the deal will NOT include the Meteor or AMRAAMs and it also mentioned Sisi is insisting on either the two or at least the meteor for sure and he won't accept a $3.1 Billion deal for 24 Typhoons if they don't include the meteors which is good! And he should do the same for the F-15s which if you think about it, stem back to CAATSA and the Su-35 deal. They were "compensation" for backing out of the 30 Su-35S.

But if the Italians (Typhoon) and the Americans (F-15) and even the French (new Rafales) stick to their guns, what happens then? What are Egypt's options? You see how we have our balls tied up to a rope? It hurts!

Even if we were able to either buy the ASTRA from India or the PL-15 or build our own AMRAAM, these jackoffs won't allow us to integrate them on any of our current or prospective platforms.

We won't be able to buy anything. This is why this problem is much bigger than some people realize. All the cards are stacked against us.



We've accepted 240 F-16s without the AIM-120 for free and even the upgrade to block 40 didn't included them nor the advanced IFF sensor package. We had to create our own IFF.

We've not only accepted but paid for 24 Rafales without the promise of upgrading them to being meteor capable since we bought the F3 which still hadn't been set up to fire the missile. We don't even know if they've really been upgraded to F3-R standard. So yes, unfortunately I would say we do settle for less than the top advanced platforms because we really have no choice and they're better than nothing. Heck even with the MiG-29M/M2 they didn't order them with the latest R-77-1 (RVV-AE) and got the older standard R-77 despite the former being available. Or even any of the longer-range R-27M/E/EM/ER etc. Not a single R-27!! I can never figure out for the life of me why they didn't get those missiles. Maybe Putin is actually subservient to the demonic entity next door just like the US?

And I'm sorry, I don't subscribe to the theory that they hide these things and that they're unknown and all that. I don't buy it. That might've been the case with the Tor-M & Buk-M series and the Protivnik-GE radar but then guess what? We eventually saw them as they simply can't hide them forever, right? Not only that, with all the Israeli sources you're familiar with, they would've picked up on those purchases and announced them in complaint in a heartbeat. So I'm sorry, I don't buy that theory for a minute, certainly not for the larger weapons systems.



Yes. We've done it before there is nothing to suggest they wouldn't do it again. If they made a better effort and actually made announcements to suggest they will not accept this & that or whatever, then yes I would believe it. But they SUCK at that public relations aspect and never say anything. So in that case, I won't believe any of that until either they actually announce them, or we see them. They chose to be that way so the hell with them. I won't support them blindly just because of nationalism and loyalty. They owe the Egyptian people some explanations so we can believe them and if they don't want to, then fine. I believe it when I see it, that's just me. Anyone else wants to believe otherwise, that's their prerogative.



And the European & Russians have proven that they'll happily take our money but still not provide us with the top advanced missiles. And I bet you 1 million $ the Chinese will do the same exact thing. There is nothing that suggests otherwise so until there is some proof that things would be diffferent with these countries, then fine. Let's see the 30 new Rafale show up with Meteors hanging off the belly pylons and then I'll believe it. Let's see at least the MiG-29Ms with the RVV-AE or the R-27 and I'll believe it. The Chinese I'm afraid will bever happen and we don't need to introduce a 3rd weapons systems to our already convoluted logistics IMO. But again, that's just me.



I was just asking if the Mirage 5s have been retired or are they still active. That's all. It seems like all we see nowadays are the 2Ks and no more 5s.



"Cancelled the Su-57 deal"? That's news to me that they even had a deal for the Su-57 in the first place lol. Are you sure about that? I'm on several Russian websites & forums and keep up with all the latest info on their exports and even who's delegations are at MAKS exercises & exhibits to see who's interested and never, ever heard of the EAF having a deal for the Su-57.

Maybe you mean "they were interested" in the Su-57 and then decided to wait for the new engine to be available before making a deal. That's entirely different from having a deal that they cancelled.



And now there's a problem with the Ka-52 and the Mi-8/17s in the EAF as the President-S EW defensive system has been compromise with the high rate of losses the Russians suffered in the Ukraine in the early days of the war. They've lost over 200 Ka-52s and now they're forced to develop a new system to replace the Vibestk/President-S because with those losses, the system has fallen in the Ukrainians' hands which undoubtedly have given the US & UK for reverse engineering. Now Rostec or whomever is designing a new ADS system to replace the Vibestk & Pres-S on the new Ka-52M that is just coming out. Another unfortunate consequence of the Russian war in Ukraine.



WUUUUUUUTTTTT?!?!?!? Are they mentally ill? lamlamalaaaaooooo! The Jews have literally lost their gaddam minds! lol. What the frig is out there that is an alternative to the F-35 besides all the local 5th gen aircraft currently being produced like the KAAN and the Korean one etc., none of which are even close to being available for their own air forces let alone supplied to Egypt. Let's get real, here. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've heard so far (not from you, Sami, but from the zionist) LOL. Crazy bastards. They must be referring to the Rafale when they say that. Them silly donkeys.



Ok, let me tell you how I see this entire ordeal with the Su-35. When the orange baboon was president of the United States, and that was when the Su-35 pictures for the EAF ones were starting to flood the internet, I think we all remember then not only secretary of state Mike Pompeo but also Mark Esper the secretary of defense BOTH warned Egypt in a full statement and in a congressional meeting that they would activate CAATSA on Egypt if it would go through with the Su-35 deal, I'm sure you remember that, right? Here it is for those who might have a hazy memory.

US Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo warned that if Egypt goes ahead with its planned purchase of the Russian built Sukhoi Su-35 super flanker fighter jet, the US could enact sanctions on Egypt through the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act of 2017 (CAATSA). Source.

Now this is no joke and it is clear as day that Sisi does not want any sanctions from the most powerful country in the history of mankind. He will never jeoperdize the economic frailty of Egypt over 30 Su-35s no matter how awesome they are. And this contract was signed in 2017 and the aircraft were ready for delivery in 2020/21 so it's been 4 years since those aircraft were built and we've seen absolutely nothing about them being in Egypt except for a couple of donkeys on YouTube (and here unfortunately) who claim they've seen them in hangars in Egypt and all that silliness.

Look, Sami, if there is anyone out there who would go dancing naked in the streets from joy if the Su-35s were in fact in Egypt with EAF insignia on them even with just the RVV-SD lol, it would be me! Look at all the pictures I post on here and all the discussions I have about that aircraft. My obsession is out of control about those because it's a potent aircraft and would elevate the EAF exponentially so much more than they already are. With all that said, if anyone would want to believe that there is some secrecy involved and that they are in fact still on the menu (so to speak) it is this guy. But I am way too objective about everything that I refuse to believe what cannot be proven. It's a simple concept, really. So I apologize if I'm just not on board with the theory that the deal is not cancelled until I see proof otherwise. That's just me and who cares what I really think anyway lol.



Ok, let's go with the theory that the Su-35s (or at least some of them) are in fact in Egyptian hangars. What then? What is the end goal? Are they hiding them so that the US doesn't know? Really? You think that's even remotely possible? Why risk such an idiotic thing if the threat of sanctions will always be looming? What is the use of doing such a thing? Will they be useful? 4 years since they've been available and they're just sitting in hangars and not flying? Because you know if they were flying, the whole world would know about them. It makes no sense that they would risk sanctions over 30 Su-35s no matter how awesome those jets are. And on top of all that, the majority of them (at least 22) were seen STILL in Russia just as of last year around this time when Kim Jong-un visited Russia and we all saw the pics.



Well that's what we're about to find out with these current negotiations for the Typhoons plus F-15s if they succeed.

So if I'm understanding you correctly, the EAF has not made the cancellation of the Su-35 official just yet because it's all contingent on if the US supplies the F-15 with AMRAAMs? And the Typhoons with Meteor? So they're using the Su-35 as a bargaining chip? That theory I could buy. There's a slight possibility that could be the case because it's reasonable and makes a lot more sense than all the "hiding in hangars" and not taking the threat of CAATSA seriously etc.







That would be the least trustworthy source ever. If it wasn't cancelled, they would be complaining and bitching left & right about it you can bet that.



I don't know, why? Are you saying they're hiding them also? Not sure I understand the point you're making.



Because it would be 100x worse if they implement CAATSA, that's why. And what economic pressure from America is Egypt under now that you are referring to exactly?



I agree. A lot of people used to say "why is Egypt spending so much money on its military for all this new & modern weaponry? They don't need all that they don't have any threats" hahaha. Little do they know. Egypt is surrounded by all the threats you just mentioned including the cretin vermin inside of Egypt itself. And there's the biggest threat of all that we're all VERY familiar with and I, for one, am very happy at the way the military is taking all the precautions it has so far to mitigate that threat from the neighbors to the northeast.

Sorry about the long reply post. It's the only way I can address all your points.

I have read many posts by you and sami about Egyptian intrest in Indian weapons, particularly Akash and Astra. How serious is this interest and why is it not progressing beyond some vague claims civilians on both sides? From what i can recollect, India and France are in talks to integrate Astra onto the Rafales, what is stopping Egyptian Rafales to be integrated with Astra in the future?