The possible ways of action of the Egyptian army in an initiated war against Israel

[SuperWarrior]

This is not a war of one or two nations. Remember that Israel is getting help from the entire Western bandwagon. Just have a good look how they united and coordinated when Iran announced the missile attack. They started intercepting missiles on behalf of their Zionist poodle.

This conflict requires unity among all Islamic and civilised countries. Even then the challenge will be great.

Absolutely this conflict has more ingredients to lead us to WW3 than Russian war, by far.

 

[UKBengali]

If anyone thinks that it woud matter a jot if Zionists were the aggressors against Egypt, then they need to see who controls the west.

It is no exaggeration to say that western nations are Zionist vassals.

I would not be surprised if the west did not sanction the entity if they somehow massacred all Gazans in the current genocide they are carrying out.

 

[Developereo]

Sure it will. What full-blown war scenario are you referring to? There has to be a reason why the zionist would go to war with Egypt, and that reason matters big time.

A simple example is 1967 & 1973. In the former the zionist were the aggressors and they were not supported whatsoever. Even in 1956 when they invaded Sinai with the British and the French invading Port Said because of Nasser nationalizing the Suez Canal, Eisenhower immediately issued an ultimatum to all three to immediately withdraw and give back all lands including the full rights to the Suez Canal back to Egypt or face the consequences.

In 1973, when Egypt attacked the zionist occupying forces (and mind you, on its own land in Sinai not even in occupied Palestine), the US jumped with billions of $ to support the zionist (Operation Nickle Grass) and save them from a full-blown thrashing and defeat. Those are the perfect examples of why the reason to the war makes a huge difference in whether they would be supported or not.

There's also the Egyptian side of its own support level that I mentioned that's also being ignored here.



This point is moot because of the above reasons. Yes they'll support the zionists only if they are being attacked or Egypt is stupid and gives them a reason to and not the other way around. And Egypt will never give the zionist a legitimate reason to act criminally like they can in Syria (and against Iranian assets) & Hezbollad and especially against the Palestinians.

Zionist power over American politics has increased multifold since the 1960s and 1970s. In the early days, Israel depended on Czechoslovakia and France for its support but, since late 20th century, it has not needed them and America is by far its largest supporter. The Americans are beating up thier own women and children (white people) in their own country to protect Israel.

Even the narrative of who started what will be controlled. Look at how the October 7 story is turning out to have so many lies but it doesn't matter.

The Western media and government are solidly supporting Israel even as it kills tens of thousands of defenceless women and children in Gaza. Do you really think they will back down if Israel is fighting a real war with a real army regardless of who started what?

Not a chance!

 

[UKBengali]

Egypt needs to once again become the Egypt of 1973 when it could have some kind of non-western foreign policy.

Yes due to political pressure from Sadat the Egytian Army did not perform as well as it could have in 1973.

I used to love war books about October 1973 war and as a Muslim it made me very proud that Egypt gave the Zionists a bloody nose in 1973.

As already mentioned it needs to stop buying from western nations as soon as possible. They will be compromised for maybe another generation at least.

Russian equipment is mainly junk now apart from maybe air defence systems and other stuff like anti-tank missiles and attack helicopters.

China is where Egypt should pivot a large part of its military equipment sources from now on. Some of the stuff that may be available in 3-5 years like J-31 fighter are absolutely cutting edge and most probably better than F-35s the Zionists were gifted by US.

Arab world needs to extricate itself from Zionist/western domination and look towards a more independent foriegn policy like they had just after WW2 and the decades after that.

 

[The SC]

Egypt needs to once again become the Egypt of 1973 when it could have some kind of non-western foreign policy.

Yes due to political pressure from Sadat the Egytian Army did not perform as well as it could have in 1973.

I used to love war books about October 1973 war and as a Muslim it made me very proud that Egypt gave the Zionists a bloody nose in 1973.

As already mentioned it needs to stop buying from western nations as soon as possible. They will be compromised for maybe another generation at least.

Russian equipment is mainly junk now apart from maybe air defence systems and other stuff like anti-tank missiles and attack helicopters.

China is where Egypt should pivot a large part of its military equipment sources from now on. Some of the stuff that may be available in 3-5 years like J-31 fighter are absolutely cutting edge and most probably better than F-35s the Zionists were gifted by US.

Arab world needs to extricate itself from Zionist/western domination and look towards a more independent foriegn policy like they had just after WW2 and the decades after that.

The Arab world is doing just that.. look at the last deals with China! not one Arab nation didn't buy from China in the last decade..

 

[GoMig-21]

Sorry, wrong thread.

 

[The SC]

How much profit are you gaining from that yearly then? Anything close to that 17trillion figure you suggested? It has to be a few hundred billion revenue at least right?

All I spoke about was that every country has these massive estimates of reserves but its unachievable and unrealistic and better to stick with reality.

Not all nations has that.. you better stick with facts in real life.. this is information about a new mine region backed by research, digging, scientific studies and the use of the most sophisticated equipment..

Just say you are jealous..lol

 

[The SC]

This is completely wrong talk. Saudi Arabia was calling on America and Israel to attack Egypt in 1967 so that the UAE would be safe. Its alliance with Israel is very strong, and the economic alliance between Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabia is directed primarily against Egypt, meaning that these countries claim to be friends with Egypt and are allied with its enemy in the first place. Who will give? A gunshot in the Emirates or Saudi Arabia. These countries have American weapons bases and American bases, and America maintains their presence in power, and none of them can move one centimeter away from the Americans.

Any sources about these fallacies?



King Salman himself was on the battlefield in the Arab Israel war.

 

[GoMig-21]

Any sources about these fallacies?

The theory (that Sami is referring to) is that at the time of the rise of Arab Nationalism -- which was obviously led by Nasser -- was considered a threat to the remaining monarchies in the Arab world. And we know how involved Nasser was in toppling the Egyptian monarchy and was also considered a secular revolutionary and despite both sides refusing the acknowledge the partition in Palestine and working for the common goal against the zionists in 48, Nasser was not only representing Arab Secular Nationalism, but was considered a revolutionist. At the same time he was technically fighting Saudiya in Yemen in early 1967. His support of the Yemeni Republican government with 50,000 Egyptian troops against the Yemeni Royalist who were backed by King Faysal and Saudiya was viewed as a proxy war, but was really a war between Egypt and Saudiya. Between the war in Yemen and Nasser's threat of Arab Nationalism, those things didn't sit well with Faysal and the Saudi monarchy. So the theory is that once the zionist started the war in 67, Faysal wasn't in a hurry to dismiss it, to put it lightly. That's where all this comes from but it's a far cry from Saudi Arabia "calling on Israel to attack Egypt".

That was also supported by the theory that when King Faysal sent troops in 1967 to assist Jordan in protecting Jerusalem & the West Bank from the zionist invasion, they got there too late and supposedly that was intentional if you get the drift.

I personally buy the whole premise, just not the idea that Saudiya was calling on America & Israel to attack Egypt. More like once there were hints of something about to happen and it did, Saudiya turned a blind eye and saw it as an opportunity to end the threat of Arab Secular Revolutionary Nationalism all at once. That's a bit different than calling for an attack.

King Salman himself was on the battlefield in the Arab Israel war.

That's right, he was amongst the Saudi troops that fought with Egypt for the Palestinians against the zionist and Palestinian partition in 1948 and even sent Saudi troops to fight again in 1973 against the zionist in Sinai and the Golan Heights.

Can't forget about Saudiya instigating the oil embargo in 1974 in support of Egypt and Syria because of Israel. That had a huge impact on the US. Seems like a far cry from anything remotely close to some phantom alliance with the zionist demon criminals or the US.

This is completely wrong talk. Saudi Arabia was calling on America and Israel to attack Egypt in 1967 so that the UAE would be safe.

Preserving the monarchies by being against Nasser doesn't equate to calling on America and the zionist to attack Egypt. I think that was an embellishment of what I just explained to SC, which I'm sure he already knew anyway. This calling for the attack is just propagated conspiracy theories ya Sami.

Its alliance with Israel is very strong, and the economic alliance between Israel, the UAE and Saudi Arabia is directed primarily against Egypt, meaning that these countries claim to be friends with Egypt and are allied with its enemy in the first place.

There might be some inadvertent negative consequences that are by default of a GCC alliance with Israel, but it's completely impractical to imply there is some deliberate purpose behind them. Without any substantial reasoning (besides the idea of the monarchs purchasing their power's safety), nothing points in that direction. Quite the opposite, actually. Care to elaborate specifically about the alliance with the zionist being deliberate against Egypt?

A gunshot in the Emirates or Saudi Arabia. These countries have American weapons bases and American bases, and America maintains their presence in power, and none of them can move one centimeter away from the Americans.

Everyone and their grandmas knows that American weapons are the best of the best. And while perhaps Arab countries can't extract 100% of their potency, they might still be the best solution for these countries' specific interests.

 

[The SC]

The theory (that Sami is referring to) is that at the time of the rise of Arab Nationalism -- which was obviously led by Nasser -- was considered a threat to the remaining monarchies in the Arab world. And we know how involved Nasser was in toppling the Egyptian monarchy and was also considered a secular revolutionary and despite both sides refusing the acknowledge the partition in Palestine and working for the common goal against the zionists in 48, Nasser was not only representing Arab Secular Nationalism, but was considered a revolutionist. At the same time he was technically fighting Saudiya in Yemen in early 1967. His support of the Yemeni Republican government with 50,000 Egyptian troops against the Yemeni Royalist who were backed by King Faysal and Saudiya was viewed as a proxy war, but was really a war between Egypt and Saudiya. Between the war in Yemen and Nasser's threat of Arab Nationalism, those things didn't sit well with Faysal and the Saudi monarchy. So the theory is that once the zionist started the war in 67, Faysal wasn't in a hurry to dismiss it, to put it lightly. That's where all this comes from but it's a far cry from Saudi Arabia "calling on Israel to attack Egypt".

That was also supported by the theory that when King Faysal sent troops in 1967 to assist Jordan in protecting Jerusalem & the West Bank from the zionist invasion, they got there too late and supposedly that was intentional if you get the drift.

I personally buy the whole premise, just not the idea that Saudiya was calling on America & Israel to attack Egypt. More like once there were hints of something about to happen and it did, Saudiya turned a blind eye and saw it as an opportunity to end the threat of Arab Secular Revolutionary Nationalism all at once. That's a bit different than calling for an attack.



That's right, he was amongst the Saudi troops that fought with Egypt for the Palestinians against the zionist and Palestinian partition in 1948 and even sent Saudi troops to fight again in 1973 against the zionist in Sinai and the Golan Heights.

Can't forget about Saudiya instigating the oil embargo in 1974 in support of Egypt and Syria because of Israel. That had a huge impact on the US. Seems like a far cry from anything remotely close to some phantom alliance with the zionist demon criminals or the US.



Preserving the monarchies by being against Nasser doesn't equate to calling on America and the zionist to attack Egypt. I think that was an embellishment of what I just explained to SC, which I'm sure he already knew anyway. This calling for the attack is just propagated conspiracy theories ya Sami.



There might be some inadvertent negative consequences that are by default of a GCC alliance with Israel, but it's completely impractical to imply there is some deliberate purpose behind them. Without any substantial reasoning (besides the idea of the monarchs purchasing their power's safety), nothing points in that direction. Quite the opposite, actually. Care to elaborate specifically about the alliance with the zionist being deliberate against Egypt?



Everyone and their grandmas knows that American weapons are the best of the best. And while perhaps Arab countries can't extract 100% of their potency, they might still be the best solution for these countries' specific interests.

Yes Bro..I'm aware of the Nasser period.. the subject is about today.. that is why I said fallacies in the context of today's Arab world..

 

[retaxis]

Not all nations has that.. you better stick with facts in real life.. this is information about a new mine region backed by research, digging, scientific studies and the use of the most sophisticated equipment..

Just say you are jealous..lol

Jealous? thats not an emotion I feel I use facts but i understand if thats a long term emotion that you have of your rich arab neighbours resources.

Asked how much of that 17trillion are you extracting every year is a valid question

E.g. UAE has tens of trillions of oil and they extract hundreds of billions each year.

The 17trillion is just more hogwash like these "findings"

Türkiye uncovers world's second-largest rare earth element reserve

- Of the 17 known rare elements, the country will produce 10 from the new field, Energy Minister says - Anadolu Agency

www.aa.com.tr

How Rs 34 trillion lithium find could shape India's EV story

The recent lithium discovery is classified as G3. Further exploration, a detailed mapping including geochemical and geophysical surveys and drilling, is required to arrive at a G1 estimate. Simultaneously, an economic analysis will also be conducted to determine economically viable extractable...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[GoMig-21]

Yes Bro..I'm aware of the Nasser period.. the subject is about today.. that is why I said fallacies in the context of today's Arab world..

Hard to imagine what occurred in 1967 would have any bearing on today's relationship between Saudi Arabia, UAE & Egypt, especially with the likes of MBS, MBZ and Sisi and all the economic & military pacts they have together. The brotherhood has never been stronger IMO, and I'm not talking about the Salafist one.

 

[The SC]

Jealous? thats not an emotion I feel I use facts but i understand if thats a long term emotion that you have of your rich arab neighbours resources.

Asked how much of that 17trillion are you extracting every year is a valid question

E.g. UAE has tens of trillions of oil and they extract hundreds of billions each year.

The 17trillion is just more hogwash like these "findings"

Türkiye uncovers world's second-largest rare earth element reserve

- Of the 17 known rare elements, the country will produce 10 from the new field, Energy Minister says - Anadolu Agency

www.aa.com.tr

How Rs 34 trillion lithium find could shape India's EV story

The recent lithium discovery is classified as G3. Further exploration, a detailed mapping including geochemical and geophysical surveys and drilling, is required to arrive at a G1 estimate. Simultaneously, an economic analysis will also be conducted to determine economically viable extractable...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

Just told you it is a new discovery.. and you insist how much Egypt gets from it already.. that is the least to say a stupid question..

Do you have any sources for the UAE's 10's of trillions of oil..???
The biggest world reserve of oil is in Venezuela of around 400 billion barrels..

 

[retaxis]

Just told you it is a new discovery.. and you insist how much Egypt gets from it already.. that is the least to say a stupid question..

Do you have any sources for the UAE's 10's of trillions of oil..???
The biggest world reserve of oil is in Venezuela of around 400 billion barrels..

A new discovery means that it is not accessible and they had to look and scan real deep to find anything. its not that hard to understand and you don't need to be a mining engineer to realise it. Egypt has been combed through with a fine toothbrush for centuries by Europeans and others. You know why Congo exports so much rare earth minerals like cobalt? Because you can literally pick it up or dig it up with a pick axe. In your "discovery" case, the gold/lithium/thorium etc is always very deep, spread out across a very very large area which makes it 10x more costly to dig up than to sell the end product.

Anyways believe what you want to believe and that 17 trillion dollars worth of gold is going to hit the market soon and make Egypt the most prosperous nation on earth.

P.S UAE has 107 billion barrels of oil in reserve not to mention other things. 107 billion barrels alone is worth 10trillion

 

[The SC]

A new discovery means that it is not accessible and they had to look and scan real deep to find anything. its not that hard to understand and you don't need to be a mining engineer to realise it. Egypt has been combed through with a fine toothbrush for centuries by Europeans and others. You know why Congo exports so much rare earth minerals like cobalt? Because you can literally pick it up or dig it up with a pick axe. In your "discovery" case, the gold/lithium/thorium etc is always very deep, spread out across a very very large area which makes it 10x more costly to dig up than to sell the end product.

Anyways believe what you want to believe and that 17 trillion dollars worth of gold is going to hit the market soon and make Egypt the most prosperous nation on earth.

P.S UAE has 107 billion barrels of oil in reserve not to mention other things. 107 billion barrels alone is worth 10trillion

Did you read the article?