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[Persian Gulf]

Only dont hit civil Plane please

friendly fire happens in all wars. Israel killed its own hostages even though they were waving white flags. mistakes are made and learnt from. nothing major and doesn't change anything I said

 

[Foinikas]

What are Greek Weapons for? lol

Umm...defending against Turkey. It's the Turks who constantly say (both online and their government)that their crazy arms buying and making is not against Greece,but "others".

 

[hyperman]

Umm...defending against Turkey. It's the Turks who constantly say (both online and their government)that their crazy arms buying and making is not against Greece,but "others".

Turkey's weapons buying are for all scenarios and all contingencies. Whether its in the Caucasus, the black sea, Iran, Northern Iraq or Syria, or Eastern Mediterranean, or the Aegean, or Libya or the Red Sea around Somalia, etc etc. It prepares for all situations that may arise, like all other militaries.

 

[hyperman]

Ok guys, no more Safavids vs Ottomans in the Turkish Air Force thread. I'm going to delete the posts and get us back on topic.

 

[Foinikas]

Turkey's weapons buying are for all scenarios and all contingencies. Whether its in the Caucasus, the black sea, Iran, Northern Iraq or Syria, or Eastern Mediterranean, or the Aegean, or Libya or the Red Sea around Somalia, etc etc. It prepares for all situations that may arise, like all other militaries.

Yes,that is logical. Yet,I personally have been told many times here from various Turks that their crazy arms race,their massive production of weapons,are not for Greece and that really they don't care about Greece. That they are for other countries. For other threats,for bigger threats. And yet,the funny thing is that all the maps and references of certain members are always about Greece "New missile can reach Athens" or "Our AWACS can see Greek aircraft before they leave from Athens" or "With the S-400 we have locked the Aegean" or "We need Eurofighter because Rafale"

 

[hyperman]

"We need Eurofighter because Rafale"

Who? Don't need Eurofighter for Rafale. Just need upgraded F-16Vs even Ozgur 2 would be enough.

Yes,that is logical. Yet,I personally have been told many times here from various Turks that their crazy arms race,their massive production of weapons,are not for Greece and that really they don't care about Greece. That they are for other countries. For other threats,for bigger threats. And yet,the funny thing is that all the maps and references of certain members are always about Greece "New missile can reach Athens" or "Our AWACS can see Greek aircraft before they leave from Athens" or "With the S-400 we have locked the Aegean" or "We need Eurofighter because Rafale"

You see those sorts of posts for everything depending on person, whether targeting PKK in Iraq or stuff reaching libya, Persian gulf etc etc. Obviously Greece is on aspect of the several different contingencies that military planners keep in mind when analyzing developments. But every state does this. Whats the point exactly?

 

[Foinikas]

Who? Don't need Eurofighter for Rafale. Just need upgraded F-16Vs even Ozgur 2 would be enough.

Oh but a certain guy insists they need them as "interim solution"

ou see those sorts of posts for everything depending on person, whether targeting PKK in Iraq or stuff reaching libya, Persian gulf etc etc. Obviously Greece is on aspect of the several different contingencies that military planners keep in mind when analyzing developments. But every state does this. Whats the point exactly?

It's funny because most of the maps show the range of weapons on the Aegean,not to the east or northeast or towards Turkey

 

[MMM-E]

Oh but a certain guy insists they need them as "interim solution"

I never said that we need Eurofighter because RAFALE

I said if USA block sale of 40 F-16V to Turkiye then 40 Eurofighter to replace old F-4 fleet

I said if Greece has 24 Rafale
Turkiye has 192 S400 Air Defense Missiles to block Aegean against Rafales
also 150+ km SIPER Block2 AD System on the way


and I said if we produce 72 KIZILELMA in 2 years that will be enough for 24 Rafale

 

[Foinikas]

I never said that we need Eurofighter because RAFALE

I said if USA block sale of 40 F-16V to Turkiye then 40 Eurofighter to replace old F-4 fleet

I said if Greece has 24 Rafale
Turkiye has 192 S400 Air Defense Missile to block Aegean against Rafales


and I said if we produce 72 KIZILELMA in 2 years that will be enough for 24 Rafale

If I find old screenshots of you saying or implying it,will you apologize?

 

[hyperman]

Oh but a certain guy insists they need them as "interim solution"

Who? there is no "need". Some might argue Its a "nice to have", to boost fighter numbers but certainly not a "need", there is nothing that the Eurofighter and the Rafale do that the F-16V cannot do necessarily. The only reasons they the eurofighter was being brought into the discussion was as a contingency if the F-16V sale was blocked. And I suspect politics as well, with Turkey trying to shore up defense/strategic partnerships with the UK. In terms of tactical significance I don't really see too much of a capability gap.

It's funny because most of the maps show the range of weapons on the Aegean,not to the east or northeast or towards Turkey

The Aegean is one of many theatres so they used it in an example, I've seen some say stuff of Russia and towards the South as well, so its not particularly unique.

You for some reason seem to want Turkey to fixate on Greece and give it attention or something, is this some sort of Notice Me Senpai scenario Foiny? lol

 

[Foinikas]

Who? there is no "need". Some might argue Its a "nice to have", to boost fighter numbers but certainly not a "need", there is nothing that the Eurofighter and the Rafale do that the F-16V cannot do necessarily. The only reasons they the eurofighter was being brought into the discussion was as a contingency if the F-16V sale was blocked. And I suspect politics as well, with Turkey trying to shore up defense/strategic partnerships with the UK. In terms of tactical significance I don't really see too much of a capability gap.

I'll look for screenshots tomorrow if u want.

You for some reason seem to want Turkey to fixate on Greece and give it attention or something,

Are you kidding? They make the maps,but I'm the one fixated on it? Lol

 

[MMM-E]

If I find old screenshots of you saying or implying it,will you apologize?

ok go and find
I never said that we need Eurofighter because of Rafale
OZGUR modernized F-16s with GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missiles will be enough for Rafale

You said that why Turks buying 40 F-1V or Eurofighter while Turkiye develop KAAN
and I said Turkiye needs new Fighter Jets for interim solutions until the KAAN squadrons will be ready in 2035

 

[Foinikas]

ok go and find
I never said that we need Eurofighter because of Rafale
OZGUR modernized F-16s with GOKHAN ramjet powered long range air to air missiles will be enough for Rafale

You said that why Turks buying 40 F-1V or Eurofighter while Turkiye develop KAAN
and I said Turkiye needs new Fighter Jets for interim solutions until the KAAN squadrons will be ready in 2035

Remember when I kept telling you that you don't need the Eurofighter if you are having the TFX in full production in 2028? And you kept saying that you need it as interim solution? And I kept telling you why,you don't need it,if you produce your own aircraft it's silly to invest in a whole new expensive aircraft just for 5 years.

 

[MMM-E]

It's funny because most of the maps show the range of weapons on the Aegean,not to the east or northeast or towards Turkey

Because ex Greek General said that we can hit Bridges in Istanbul with our Rafales armed with SCALP Missiles

and Turkiye fired TAYFUN Ballistic Missile which hit the target from 561 km away
This was a special message to Greeks

 

[Foinikas]

Because ex Greek General said thar we can hit Bridges in Istanbul with our Rafales armed with SCALP Missiles

and Turkiye fired TAYFUN Ballistic Missile which hit the target from 561 km
This was a special message to Greeks

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One ex-general said something he thought of and you took it as official threat. If I had a euro every time a Turkish ex-general or official said "we can be in Athens in 3 hours" or "we can be in Damascus in one hour",I'd have a new laptop by now.