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[vsdoc]

Too late for that. The damage is done. The precedents have been set.

I wanted this left unsaid.

But you did. And it is true.

Previously untouchable, unthinkable, will now be very doable.

Very #MeToo

Cheers, Doc

 

[vsdoc]

First, a happy new year to you and yours doc.

It is partly what you say combined with devils advocate stuff I enjoy, and my own dumb naive understanding of what its all really about back then.

Part of me was hoping a new congress (and other parties) would emerge stronger and better too (big tent + pragmatic oriented) to see off. The whip cracking needed on things after 2014 etc.

I thought it was smaller cycle stuff and would all come out in the wash and quickly....but nope i misjudged just how much a large enough group of Indians love this stuff deeply, and worse for all the wrong reasons that they keep lording over even me and taunting me (so I can only imagine how much worse it is for those that have little recourse of putting them right back in their place).

i.e My own rankling with social conservatism (the severe kind in India it can ill afford) is what put me off, and way these bhakt fanbois lord it over all else in subjects all and sundry, well out of their ken.

These ugly minded people take everything that has made India so weak in the past and present it as some edifying strength for today.

Ignorance is lesser sin than incompetence. Incompetence is a lesser sin than Immorality. But these all rhyme together easily in society.

The immorality seeks immortality by entrenched collectivism. This comes from a dark void and leads to a dark end.

But reality always sets things straight down the road at some point, it is our fate to exist and see the costs and be tested. To be a rock and not to roll.

I am deeply secular when it comes to politics, classical liberal too....a mix of locke, burke and smith. I remember the day Joe stumbled on my first principles in a "wait a second you aren't a sanghi at all" (lol) and exposed my casual forum gaming right then and there.

We Tamils saw the zero sum crap go down in Ceylon....the might makes right chauvinism and now deep scars that will never heal for a very long time.

Expand that to something 100 times bigger? Hell no.

The early guises (lower scale but nasty nonetheless) of this in TN already impacted us Tambrams at great cost, too great a cost for both us, Tamils and larger India....the way we were pitted against each other so easily.

We are all to easy to target, coerce and make examples out of.

Across shores from India, I have been a minority everywhere I have lived....I know exactly what unfettered social conservative collective majoritarianism will be (be it emboldened and imposed by Chinese, Malay or Gora).

In fact Joe has not yet pointed out overtly the irony of Brahmin crossing the seas in our nautical chat....but this is lived experience that has impacted much in my thinking and reflection on India....that would not have happened if I was exact same person but born in whichever agraharam in Tamilakam some centuries ago....the stratified privilege and the great social ill and weakness of such a structure perpetuating misery and backwardness.

There is much I identify with in deep level with Parsis like you. Such heat reaches minorities first. You know it better than anyone else here I venture.

We know the tenuous potential of certain things all too well, no matter how integrated we have become and niceties and social pacts made with larger populations, these can be thrown away in a second push come to shove and the ugliness of primacy and supremacy shows no mercy.

Great post Nilgiri. Direct and from the heart. And for a change without the typical Nilgiri allusive wordy convolutions that simple minded folk like me give up on somewhere close to 60-65% of the carry-on sentence. Lol

Happy New Year to you and your family too.

This (your sort if realisation that is both intellectually arrived at and lived, against the backdrop of personal and people based collective experience and memory) is happening across our homeland.

Hindus are coming towards minorities.

Minorities towards Hindus.

Regardless of who feels the heat when and how much, we all recognise the flame that is coming, and what it will do to everything in its path.

And whether you like it or not, the Indian National Congress and Rahul Gandhi will be there leading the fightback.

As it did against the British.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Cryptonian]

Personally I believe the Opposition should unite and boycott the polls unless EVMs are removed for Paper ballots once more.

I'm not certain, but I think we might be moving in that direction.

Hence the manipulated EC bill.

Cheers, Doc

Loser mentality, blame the game when one loses.
It was the opposition who brought the EVM system.

 

[protest]

All the congressis think somehow they are the epitome of intellect. This thread is the prime example. These days they have a lot of time at hand to write a long posts with a vocabulary to even put Britishers to shame. Lol. Unfortunately none of this matters in India these days.

Also for these people to call others Andh Bhakts is quite rich given how badly congress is losing (will again loose miserably), one would think they would be objective enough to call themselves andh to not even see what is happening on the ground.

Also if are only here to pat each other's on the back with your long posts, create a whatsapp group and spare us.

 

[vsdoc]

In my very humble opinion, neither ignorance, nor incompetence is that big of a sin because none of them scale as much or as fast. In one way, both are self limiting. Its hopelessness and apathy that is the worst problem and they scale FAST and HUGE. It shapes complete society not for now but for a long future as well. In my own experience shaped by engineering, in large things (nations, society, economy, polity) scale is perhaps the single biggest factor to look for.

In our very bipolar society, this is where we are heading. And no, Modi or present form of BJP is not even the worst of all. Quite far from it.

As they say, Abhi to party shuru hui hei.

I do not want this party to reach to its natural conclusion of hopelessness.

What you think of damage is not even a scratch for what may be forthcoming. Even till now, Indians are by and large very very keen on politics and polity of the nation (in one way or the other). We always have been from cities to the rural heartland. What may really happen is a complete apathy and hopelessness in political process itself among practically every person. And that will be real mess which I doubt we can ever clean up.

Bro, in my view, there is a much greater danger.

But I am really uncomfortable putting it out in the open here.

But I'll try.

You know how our states are structured.

You know how our Army is structured.

You know how our law enforcement and essential services are structured.

You know our ports. And our refineries. The lifeblood of our nation.

What happens when a large enough number if states and their population lose patience and hope that things ar the Center will change.

Both due to our electoral structure. And the way it and our institutions and constitutional safeguards are being manipulated.

Comes back to hopelessness.

But my point is swinging 180 from apathy.

Starts with A as well. Ends with a Y too.

The fire that is coming. Like a freight train. Which will pick up speed post 2024.

Cheers, Doc

 

[vsdoc]

Just putting my bookmark here.

I mean sure....Canadian. But hope you are not insinuating any core displacement on other things I am by that (incl Indian).

I am a mishmash of an enigma. We can get into my deeper identity matrix a bit later if its pertinent to this subject at hand (INC, secular politics etc)....or another thread elsewhere if more appropriate.

I am much more than just "Canadian".

I owe a great deal to India...I will forever be in its debt.... and do what I can whenever and wherever I can to help it.

No I meant exactly that.

Which is gow you came across to me in your writing from a few years back.

Your recent post signals different.

We are most of us what we write on forums. Over years in some of our cases.

It is an art form. Just as reading and understanding more of the person behind the screen projection in the worm of alphabet collectives and strings is.

You're right. This is not about you or me. You neither need to explain or defend. Nor do I.

Just engage.

Cheers, Doc

 

[vsdoc]

Loser mentality, blame the game when one loses.
It was the opposition who brought the EVM system.

So what?

Have you never bought something on Amazon, found it not fitting, and returned it?

Cheers, Doc

 

[Cryptonian]

So what?

Have you never bought something on Amazon, found it not fitting, and returned it?

Cheers, Doc

LoL, very childish analogy. Is that how half wittingly congress ran the country for 60 years.

Opposition harping about EVM hack is something like this,
A guy who bought a flat , rented the flat to tenant, then started blaming tenant for roof leakage, that too without any proof.

 

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Shame.

Cheers, Doc

 

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Nyay Yatra. Starting soon.

A Gandhi walks the land. Again.

Cheers, Doc

 

[indushek]

Is there any clarity given by Congress, on the MOU signed by Ms Sonia with CCP during 2008 visit to Beijing for Olympics?

 

[Sharma Ji]

cya all at the polling booths

where doodh ka doodh, paani ka paani hoings

 

[Sharma Ji]

ain't no stopping this jagganath of a freight train

brake brook ni lagnay ab

buckle up, lefties

abhi toh shuruat hai, main course baaki hai.. it'll be served an icy cold

 

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Nice one.

Not his fieriest. Not remotely.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Sharma Ji]

seat ke neechay life jacket milegi

oopar se oxijen ke mask girenge

in the end a flaming fireball me milengey

remains graand ol' party ki haddian huddion k