India Targets Six-Carrier Naval Fleet, Says Defence Minister

[Pioneer]

China just got its third floating casino, which is barely ever gonna cross first chain of islands.
First lets see a proof that chinese EMALS even work on ground based facility ,before chest thumping about it catapulting a fighter jet.

My opinion is. India should first demonstrate its shipbuilding capabilities to the world. Let's not talk about how long India can build an aircraft carrier. India will first attempt to build an LHD within 3 years. OK?

 

[Archie]

Aircraft Carriers are costly weapons

For the price of 1 Vikrant class aircraft carrier and it's air wing

India could field 4 P18 Class Destroyers

Or 6 Advance U214 subs

Or even 40 Rafales F3Rs

All of which in my opinion should have higher priority over a 3rd carrier

Let alone 5-6 Carriers

I can Guarantee that we will see similar tweets in next General elections as well.
Because Indian navy has a 33 Billion USD order list , which needs to be fulfilled before money is spent on a 3rd carrier
These include
12 mine sweepers for 3 billion USD
3 LPD/LPH for 4 billion USD
4 P18 Destroyers @ 8 billion USD
3 SCORPENE Subs @ 3 billion USD
26 Rafale Ms @ 5 billion USD
6 U214 subs @ 8billion USD
6 additional P8I ASW AIRCRAFTS @ 1.5 billion USD
12 additional MH60 Romeo ASW HELIS @ 1 BILLION USD

 

[Deino]

Your point being? India won't or can't have a 6 carrier navy? What's so funny about the tweet other?

The point is that India is bragging around in all areas - vessels, aircraft, ... - and instead of doing realistic plans, making decisions NOW and to invest, to build the facilities, institutes, yards and so on, they (aka these typical politicians and its fellow "Jai Hind"-fan boys) bast political propaganda, try to explain it with economic growth and so on.

Financially it is surely doable, but as long as India is not willing to invest NOW, to learn and develop ion its own instead on buying all over the world like LEGO toys they will never have these capabilities in let's say 20 years, when the economic situation as predicted.

Vikrant can carry about the same number of aircrafts as Shandong and Liaoning ie 24 fighters and 10 Helis

India Finalised Rafale M, last year as the primary Fighter jet for Vikrant

Deal will be signed after the ongoing Indian Elections, when the New Government is in place

Any one not sleeping under a rock, would have seen the announcement made by Modi during his visit to France regarding purchase of 26 Rafales Ms and 3 Scorpene class Subs for Indian Navy

As far as making 5-6 Carriers are concerned,

Well that's our long term plan as the size of Indian Economy grows
Indian GDP currently stands at 3.75 Trillion USD which our defence expenditure is around 80 billion USD

I don't think anyone believes that Indian Military expenditure will not grow with the increase in size of Indian economy

On paper maybe! But let's check the facts ... what the service rate of the MiG-29K? Even the IN admits it wants to get rid of them and then? Tejas-N is downgraded as a TD, neither Rafale or F/A-18 are able to fit the two active carriers ... and now??

And again "purchasing in France" will surely solve the problem of India being capable of doing it on their own.

 

[kambhakt]

With six carriers operating over 300 fighter jets, the initiation of the TEDBF project now makes sense.
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Does the TEDBF have the blessings of the Navy. From what I have heard, it is a DRDO created project.

 

[kambhakt]

300 , if Navy wants to place 120 something aircrafts at various island bases. Otherwise 180 maximum.

If we go for more aircraft carriers, they should be bigger and nuclear powered with EMALS.

 

[KAAFIR]

Even for naval strategy, India copies China.

But here's the problem.

1. India does not have such technology.
2. India does not have such industrial capacity.
3. India does not have such economic strength.

India is like a 5-year-old boy who says he can run as fast as Liu Xiang.

Just Bcz a Chinese says so....
India has everything but speed. We are a democracy. We have many hurdles in speed.
BTW even being sluggish, we didn't lose Galwan And Doklam.

 

[DDG-80]

Now we have 2, third will be built and then atleast three more.
That's covering the whole IOR as our lake, from Malaysia to SAfrica, one piece of our ocean to rule it.

 

[Pioneer]

Just Bcz a Chinese says so....
India has everything but speed. We are a democracy. We have many hurdles in speed.
BTW even being sluggish, we didn't lose Galwan And Doklam.

You are too modest. Actually. Besides democracy. India has nothing. India needs to import even warship steel. India has never independently manufactured anything. Including bullets. and Indian aircraft carriers still do not have carrier based aircraft.

BTW. doklam belongs to Nepal. Gawlan is actually controlled by China. Of course. I am willing to believe that the F-16 shot down MIG21

 

[Jaeger]

This is really shocking!!!

So, India has been using aircraft carriers for 70 years. But India has just learned how to build an aircraft carrier???

Emmmm... Congratulations on India's first domestically produced toilet entering service in 2022. Oh, sorry. Aircraft carrier.

oh BTW, Indian aircraft carriers do not have carrier based aircraft.

Well unlike China, not only has India used an aircraft carrier operationally in a war. Indian Navy has actually won the wars it has participated in.

Didn't you guys lose half your submarine crew, just last year.

55 Chinese Sailors Feared Dead in Submarine Incident - The Statesman

Tragedy strikes as 55 Chinese sailors are feared dead in a submarine incident in the Yellow Sea, with a oxygen system failure reported.

www.thestatesman.com

55 Chinese sailors feared dead after submarine 'caught in trap'

EXCLUSIVE Officially, China has denied the incident took place. It also appears Beijing refused to request international assistance for its stricken submarine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ohyea]

India took 20 years to build a 40000 tons outdated aircraft carrier. India will take a century to build 6 aircraft carriers.

 

[Pioneer]

Well unlike China, not only has India used an aircraft carrier operationally in a war. Indian Navy has actually won the wars it has participated in.

Didn't you guys lose half your submarine crew, just last year.

55 Chinese Sailors Feared Dead in Submarine Incident - The Statesman

Tragedy strikes as 55 Chinese sailors are feared dead in a submarine incident in the Yellow Sea, with a oxygen system failure reported.

www.thestatesman.com

55 Chinese sailors feared dead after submarine 'caught in trap'

EXCLUSIVE Officially, China has denied the incident took place. It also appears Beijing refused to request international assistance for its stricken submarine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oh. I know. The Indian Navy defeated East Pakistan with an aircraft carrier. what good

Unlike the Chinese Navy, Chinese aircraft carriers can only confront the US.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.rfa.org/english/news/china/liaoning-nears-guam-12302022005658.html/ampRFA

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ships-near-guam-in-warning-to-u-s-over-taiwan

Of course. The Chinese Navy often suffers significant losses on the Internet. For example, a group of Indian friends told me, "Type 003 has a big crack in the deck. so bad”.

My question now is. Does the current Indian aircraft carrier have carrier based aircraft?

 

[harpy1]

To be fair, if we look past the struggle in the shipbuilding process (and that’s a big if, I know) and that some of the systems are still missing, both Vikrant and Vikramaditya are fairly well designed carriers, trading peak sortie rate with short takeoff routes for a good deck plan optimized for long take-off sorties, which combined with the more compact MiG-29K platform may actually result in comparable, if not greater strike capability compared to the 1143.5+T-10K combination, so I wouldn’t say it’s “too small” for a basic power projection tool.

I’m more concerned that India still lacks all the elements in a proper carrier battlegroup except the carrier itself. Destroyers are still more closely aligned with Soviet era BRKs, Frigates that lacks true area air defense (in NATO definition), lack of competent supporting carrier air elements (AEW, ASW, EW, etc).

I feel some infact most of these potential.shortcomings can be resolved by the upcoming induction of the new project 15b nilgri class stealth frigates and future inductions of type18 destroyers all packing serious vls systems and bigger avx better radars tracking systems

 

[harpy1]

India took 20 years to build a 40000 tons outdated aircraft carrier. India will take a century to build 6 aircraft carriers.

I think on average it takes 15 years to conceptualise to build and commission and sea trial finish one new carrier in the west

 

[Jaeger]

India took 20 years to build a 40000 tons outdated aircraft carrier. India will take a century to build 6 aircraft carriers.

Atleast they know how to use them.

Oh. I know. The Indian Navy defeated East Pakistan with an aircraft carrier. what good

Unlike the Chinese Navy, Chinese aircraft carriers can only confront the US.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.rfa.org/english/news/china/liaoning-nears-guam-12302022005658.html/ampRFA

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ships-near-guam-in-warning-to-u-s-over-taiwan

Of course. The Chinese Navy often suffers significant losses on the Internet. For example, a group of Indian friends told me, "Type 003 has a big crack in the deck. so bad”.

My question now is. Does the current Indian aircraft carrier have carrier based aircraft?

Indian Navy has not only blockaded East Pakistan but West Pakistan too . That too, when Pakistan had complete US support and US Navy 7th fleet was on its way to save it.

That is something that China has never been able to achieve vis-a-vis Taiwan, which is less than 80 miles away from it.

Indian Navy has 45 operational Mig 29k in it's air arm.

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[Cryptonian]

Oh. I know. The Indian Navy defeated East Pakistan with an aircraft carrier. what good

Unlike the Chinese Navy, Chinese aircraft carriers can only confront the US.

https://www.google.co.jp/amp/s/www.rfa.org/english/news/china/liaoning-nears-guam-12302022005658.html/ampRFA

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...ships-near-guam-in-warning-to-u-s-over-taiwan

400 miles is like 700km afar. No big deal. You can even get close upto 200km under innocent passage rule.

You can not confront US in any way. We saw when time came and Pelosy arrived in Taiwan, how both casinos hid under landbased SAM umbrella within first line of chain .

Of course. The Chinese Navy often suffers significant losses on the Internet. For example, a group of Indian friends told me, "Type 003 has a big crack in the deck. so bad”.

My question now is. Does the current Indian aircraft carrier have carrier based aircraft?

Question should be, how many operational carriers China has which can launch aircrafts. Answer is 2 , same as India. So much for Chinese superpowder navy.