Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder Bags Another Fighter Deal, Media Says; India’s LCA Tejas Banks On Massive IAF Contract

[JohnWick]

Indeed, that's why PAF failed to engineer there own MC and FCC. Just ask your senior members ,where JF-17's iron bird is, and how Chinese charge exorbitantly for even small changes in FCC.

Dalit,
The one which were not able to operational a single aircraft And blowing fire crackers on Simple CGI AMCA are not allowed to talk
Homo the things like jets stealth Fighters are for civilizations and countries not for you

 

[Awwad]

lolzz we desigen LCA in house tested all its FBW to misssion compouters and all flight parameters and sub systems and LRUs and now m,aking most of them only Radar , HMD, HUD , ejection seat , engine and quartz rodome is coming from outside ...... tell me what products of JF17 were tested and devloped in pakistan and then made in house its nothing more than a scerwdriver & paint job at PAC kamra and you are compairing it to tejas ... ... kahan se latte ho itna confidence .. well i want that stuff your smoking

Let's see what india has done. A 1950s design. This design is exact replica of 1950's large delta win. Tejas is the most outdated design in current inventory of any airforce in the planet. One fool among you was comparing it with modern delta wings. I mean you guys have no IQ or even eyes? The modern delta wings are much smaller in ratio to overall frame and cannards are placed for better flight performances. So a 1950s design that is packed with nearly everything from outside, half of the aircraft or the most daunting & complex task is engine itself. That came right from the US lol, israeli EW & other electronic components, british ejection seat, french weapon systems. and yes you tested flight computer and few things after decades and decades and tons of money spent. Congrats Look what a true military power and equal size country is doing at your northern border. They are building full 5th gen fighters all in-house. You are comparing yourself to smaller country with no resources LOL! that's amusing.

 

[Guru Dutt]

Lol the ones which uses Russian junk like r-77 are barking
Whats wrong with ya homie
F-35 is your last hope Go and do what your us daddy says
Although they are possibly not going to sell F-35 to india I Mean who the hell wants his premier product to be crashed here and there

munna we use latest verssion of R77 and the rest of russian R77 , R73 or R27 all are bieng converted into mobile SAM batteries by DRDO and HAL

lolzz we are not sitting idle like you guys and asking for SOFT LOANs and MADDADD form friendly nations as you say it

we are lready using MICA twins , ASRAAM and astra MK 1 on all russian flankers and fulkrums of IAF and Indian navy

worry about yourself who are looking towards USA or china like hungry kids for there every need

as for F35 well we are already in talks with russia and japan and even USA which ever nation gives us the best deal we will get its 5th gen fighter and that too on hard cash not on so calleed SOFT LOANS or Coilation support Fund.....like you always wanted but rejected 8 F16s on market rate

 

[kaku]

That's entirely different topic. The point is licence production cannot be compared with owned project. You can't relate the whole program around a specific module. Nobody is stopping Pakistan doing anything in JF-17 program, and most likely they are bringing lot of changes through PFX program too. However, india can't do a thing to SU-30, it can't sell it, it can't make profits if Russia sell SU-30s to anyone. Totally different things. Both are not comparable at all. Why its so hard to understand ?

Does it matter?
And HAL is already reverse engineering not only MKI production, but also of AL-31 engine. Obviously with the blessings of Russia.

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The project is divided into two phases, with the first focusing on installing new avionics and radars, while the second phase concentrates on flight control systems. Indigenous systems will replace several Russian-origin components, reflecting India's push towards self-reliance in defence manufacturing.

https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/hal-drdo-to-begin-rs-60-000-crore-sukhoi-fighter-jet-fleet-upgrade-124022000176_1.html

 

[Guru Dutt]

Let's see what india has done. A 1950s design. This design is exact replica of 1950's large delta win. Tejas is the most outdated design in current inventory of any airforce in the planet. One fool among you was comparing it with modern delta wings. I mean you guys have no IQ or even eyes? The modern delta wings are much smaller in ratio to overall frame and cannards are placed for better flight performances. So a 1950s design that is packed with nearly everything from outside, half of the aircraft or the most daunting & complex task is engine itself. That came right from the US lol, israeli EW & other electronic components, british ejection seat, french weapon systems. and yes you tested flight computer and few things after decades and decades and tons of money spent. Congrats Look what a true military power and equal size country is doing at your northern border. They are building full 5th gen fighters all in-house. You are comparing yourself to smaller country with no resources LOL! that's amusing.

well in 1950s british left us as a basket case of poverty and illitratcee owr priorities in that era was to make a robust and progressive society which we did and defeted hungar and povertyy and now we are fastest growing fifth largest economy and same USA & UK which had send there naval fleets against us in 1971 today are making us there Strategick partner while your PM is begging from one and all which in 1950s and 1960s was walking with them like equals ......... one word PRIORITIES

 

[kaku]

Tejas Mk1A sensors going to be superior than Block 52, in anykind of comparision possible, but inferior than Block 70.

HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

1020 TRMs. Please stop comparing the Tejas to the F-16 - they are not, and were never meant to be in the same class. Looks like Indians are biggest enemies of themselves, and dont want to do hardwork. Indeed they are never meant to be in same class, but lets compare. 1) Databus :- The databus...

defencepk.com

Btw, I had given detailed reply here, those who are interested.

 

[Awwad]

well in 1950s british left us as a basket case of poverty and illitratcee owr priorities in that era was to make a robust and progressive society which we did and defeted hungar and povertyy and now we are fastest growing fifth largest economy and same USA & UK which had send there naval fleets against us in 1971 today are making us there Strategick partner while your PM is begging from one and all which in 1950s and 1960s was walking with them like equals ......... one word PRIORITIES

hahaha... This post shows your insecurity at its peak LMAO!! How come hunger, poverty, slum capital of the world, largest population of under poverty people, british slavery is related to this thread ?? LOL!! You are one hell of an entertainer

 

[mulj]

well all the equipment and air to air weapons of PAF are outdated and those that they got from USA in 2005 till 2010 only nominal software upgrades had been allowed and that too were done by US experts physiclly who were present on those bases where BLK52s were kept ... and due to that kind of strings attached India is reluctant to but USAs F21/F16 latest verssion tailor made for IAF or F35 L II which both are bieng pushed for years by Biden administration

well, i am sure they want you to think like that, last time you got harsh reality check about contemporary conditions of both air forces during last combat incident.

 

[Guru Dutt]

HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

1020 TRMs. Please stop comparing the Tejas to the F-16 - they are not, and were never meant to be in the same class. Looks like Indians are biggest enemies of themselves, and dont want to do hardwork. Indeed they are never meant to be in same class, but lets compare. 1) Databus :- The databus...

defencepk.com

Btw, I had given detailed reply here, those who are interested.

forget it bhai

billi ke khwaabbonme chichhrre

are these stooges getting F16 BLK70/72 not even in there wildest dreams not even the turkish upgrade kits cause even turkish want full payment of the last one they had done which is still pending done before the new ones and done it in advance bfore one one of theres is upgraded to latest turkish level wich is just close to BLK60 level that too is Israel supplies the relevent sub subsystems & semicundoctors for the hardware

 

[SteppeWolff]

Laugh at your own ignorance.
Indian radar is liquid cooled more modern vs Pakistani(CHinese) air cooled.

F16 V has an air-cooled AESA too and it would eat that Samosa I mean Tejas for lunch.

 

[SteppeWolff]

The avrage RCS of JF17 is close to 3msqu

Prove it

 

[Guru Dutt]

well, i am sure they want you to think like that, last time you got harsh reality check about contemporary conditions of both air forces during last combat incident.

during last air combat a single mig21 pilot went after two F16 of PAF inside pakistani airforce with dense SAM cover and was shot down by a AIM120C5 which only a F16 can fire then Mig21 did not had any BVR but only older gen R73s

here your talking about LCA MK1A with AESA radar and ASRAAM rclose quarter missile and I DERBY or Astra MK1 BVR both of which have a better range than AIM120C5 so i know what i am talking about

 

[mulj]

during last air combat a single mig21 pilot went after two F16 of PAF inside pakistani airforce with dense SAM cover and was shot down by a AIM120C5 which only a F16 can fire then Mig21 did not had any BVR but only older gen R73s

here your talking about LCA MK1A with AESA radar and ASRAAM rclose quarter missile and I DERBY or Astra MK1 BVR both of which have a better range than AIM120C5 so i know what i am talking about

nice cope out.

 

[SteppeWolff]

during last air combat a single mig21 pilot went after two F16 of PAF inside pakistani airforce with dense SAM cover and was shot down by a AIM120C5 which only a F16 can fire then Mig21 did not had any BVR but only older gen R73s

Show's the lack of brains ( as usual ) of IAF pilots, next time don't go after things you can't handle and you won't be shot down and later beaten to a pulp by the crowd

 

[Awwad]

HAL LCA Tejas: Updates, News & Discussions

1020 TRMs. Please stop comparing the Tejas to the F-16 - they are not, and were never meant to be in the same class. Looks like Indians are biggest enemies of themselves, and dont want to do hardwork. Indeed they are never meant to be in same class, but lets compare. 1) Databus :- The databus...

defencepk.com

Btw, I had given detailed reply here, those who are interested.

Pointless, you fail to understand the basics. Two aircrafts have to be compared overall.
With your logic, JF-17C is more capable than F-16 block 52s and SU-30s or anything in subcontinent other than J-10Cs & Rafales because of its more modern electronics & AESA radars.

F-16 is an overall package. Its perfect in performance especially in its combat modes, Tejas simply can't do it. Its phsyics. The kind of power available to F-16 w.r.t to its body size is enormous. Its a small aircraft with so powerful engine. That's practically no match for Tejas. Tejas a very old design (1950s replica of delta wing) with very mediocre power engine. The kind of base energy available to F-16s AMRAAMs and sidewinders gives it much more lethality. Again if you want to point out on AESA than ofcourse with same logic JF-17C also outclass F-16s and SU-30s. But AESA & related equiment isn't everything. BTW! Block 52s electronic warfare & its radar are no joke, APG-68 is a 300 km scan range radar with SAR capability. For a low powered aircraft like Tejas, its not just inferior combat flight performance but also inferior performance of electronic equipment due to lack of enough power.